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PostPosted: Tue Mar 25, 2014 5:34 pm 
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I know you can shim rear rings, jimmy things and make it work, but surely it's been done already.
I'm looking for a set of rings I can adjust for sub-pal long range shooting that will leave me some vertical scope adjustment.
These are what prompted the post - I welcome links to similar items:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OOj78x2EflI
I can't find them for sale or a price anywhere.

These are adjustable, but not sure they allow a downward cant to scope mounted in them:
http://www.trail-marker.com/sports-match-1-two-piece-high-fully-adjustable/dp/781

I am not looking to add a +X MOA adapter (and weight of it) into the mix so thinking dovetail rings are the answer.


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PostPosted: Tue Mar 25, 2014 6:07 pm 
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hi

if you're shooting a sub pal rifle, then the distance probably won't be over 30 yards, if that....might i suggest the following;

a droop compensator (included a link to one below) and a set of low weaver rings, you just need to make sure your dovetail is long enough to accommodate the 5 inches required to fit one of those

the entire setup will cost you less then 40 $, and the compensator will give you a lot of adjustment range, keeping that scope elevation spring in the middle where it should be, this on top of a rock solid installation, especially if your rifle rifle has stop pin holes

http://www.amazon.ca/UTG-Compensation-M ... CAE6YDP2WN

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PostPosted: Tue Mar 25, 2014 6:35 pm 
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Thanks, but I'd call this an adapter.
I swore them off as solution simply because I am not giving up multishot magazines. Ever.

Edit: I shoot sub-pal and pal in the same gun. I'm looking to drop forward scope angle to be able to shoot further with reticle aimpoints while the reticle is close as I can get it to centered.


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PostPosted: Tue Mar 25, 2014 7:14 pm 
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then you would be looking at these to be able to tilt forward;

http://www.dlairgun.com/Mounts/Sun-Opti ... M0201.html


a little more detailed;

http://sunopticsusa.com/mounting-system ... se-combos/

sorry, didn't get the last line about not wanting an adapter, nor did i figure what rifle you were referring to :lol:

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PostPosted: Tue Mar 25, 2014 9:27 pm 
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D&L just lists weaver versions... anyone here used these (sunoptics adjustable) rings?
I like the ideer of a gimbal and screw adjustment, just wonder what range they have.

Edit: Hmmmm:
https://www.dropbox.com/s/fmekhhelonvhtmk/Using%20Sun%20adjustable%20rings.pdf


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PostPosted: Wed Mar 26, 2014 4:56 am 
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available on amazon.ca, they list the available adjustable dovetail, good price too

http://www.amazon.ca/Sun-Optics-USA-Adj ... SZXRRTQ4WQ

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PostPosted: Wed Mar 26, 2014 10:02 am 
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If you wnat added elevation for shooting at long ranges (as in the 100 yard non-PAL Pop-Can Sniper thread from years ago).... why not use a "drooper mount" intended for a German made springer?....

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PostPosted: Wed Mar 26, 2014 1:07 pm 
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rsterne wrote:
If you wnat added elevation for shooting at long ranges (as in the 100 yard non-PAL Pop-Can Sniper thread from years ago).... why not use a "drooper mount" intended for a German made springer?....

Bob



i suggested exactly that, but i the OP will be shooting a PCP with a mag IMO, so the one piece droop mount would not be appropriate, he hasn't specified what rifle exactly, so its just an educated guess :wink:

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PostPosted: Wed Mar 26, 2014 3:58 pm 
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Goal is a reticle I can use shooting sub pal and full pressure.
Every mark on my reticle is a crosshair in my view, I just want to be able to use them with turret centered for elevation and still have 20+/- MOA clicks available on a whim. I don't often shoot under 50 yards, if that qualifies the need for those wondering wtf...

The sun optics rings look like the most reasonable choice, I just wish Amazon wasn't a sworn enemy of paypal.
The gun, like so many here, wasn't enough.
It is a mutt like so many 22xx base guns, but base adapters conflict with magazine, so two piece is the way.
I've read burris signature rings come with offset inserts that can allow adjustment, albeit with insert fiddling rather then adjustment screws.
They are also double the cost of sun optics...


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PostPosted: Wed Mar 26, 2014 5:44 pm 
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Not sure if you want to go a different route, but, I have this mount on my RX2 and it gives me the movement I need. http://www.airscopes.com/Zen/index.php? ... &cPath=2_5

He does ship to Canada.


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PostPosted: Wed Mar 26, 2014 5:51 pm 
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As discussed I cannot block the breech access for magazine with a one piece adapter/droop rail.
Some more info on the sun optics:
http://www.straightshooters.com/adjusti ... mount.html


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PostPosted: Thu Mar 27, 2014 1:13 am 
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blarg: the SunOptics rings may not work out as you may be thinking.
To adjust the elevation on those; one has to pretty much dismantle the whole set up, unseat the scope from the saddles & then rotate the front/rear/both ring(s) (clockwise to raise height of ring & opposite for the inverse)
Once done, then you have to re saddle the scope & not only zero again but will have to adjust the windage screws too since the you loose the "center" once you move anything.
So it is not just a matter of one or 2 screws & even then you'll spend a crap load of time readjusting for zero EVERY TIME you touch those rings/scope.

Also you should know & anyone else for that matter: these SunOptic adj mounts are barely suitable for a non pal springer let alone a PAL one & putting it on any mag springer is plain embarrassing - but it MAY work with a PCP.
Mounts are made with low grade aluminium & all the screws are way too small, threads are not deep enough. not enough surface area for proper engagement & under a little stress or little torque (when tightened with Allen key) these act like little round files & after adjusting a few times you just end up with a hole bored out by the screw.
Also note that the Allen key provided is in fact GARBAGE, use a quality one or there will be mangled heads galore regardless of how less/much torque you've applied.
I have a brand new pair medium height sitting here as I type let me know if you want em .. maybe we could work out a little trade ... lol
Model. SM0201 - this is the third replacement they've sent, the first 2 that I did mount, crapped out before I could say .. 'damn this is a good concept' & I never mounted the third pair.
So let me know if you want em I send em out if you got some 70% moly paste laying around ;)

About SportsMatch: I had emailed their MD; Mat Ford last yr & about Dampa for Pic/Weaver rail .. seems they have listened. They've just introduced Dampa mount for Pic rails & per recent email exchange with Mr. Ford these will be available in Canada in a few weeks. Model DM80 (he did not comment why they did not use Torx heads on the base though)
http://www.sportsmatch-uk.com/new-sportsmatch-products

Another update on that: Airgunsource is getting out of Sprotsmatch when I spoke to them last (week ago approx) so the only SportsMatch distributor in Canada will be D&L Airgun.

About: Burris adjustable rings with inserts ... haven't used em but sure seem like a more solid design, I imagine a lot easier to use/center.
BSquare has some options too .. mostly windage adj from what I can remember. BKL has some options too IIRC
Here are some other random options even if mostly for windage at least it will give you some idea of the market for such a product :)

http://www.cheaperthandirt.com/prod/Wea ... able_Rings

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PostPosted: Thu Mar 27, 2014 2:17 am 
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Thanks for the first hand input.
I would say shoot'em across the puddle and I'd give them a try if I was running a weaver base, but I'm all dovetails and sans converter bits.
I wondered how well they would hold up as they don't look real beefy, but expected that it would be set and forget anyway and expected a finicky first time too. Did you have any success with them at all? What sort of vertical adjustment range do they have and do they really gymbal or is that marketing crap?

On the Moly front, you may find something to meet your needs:
http://www.molyslip.com/products/
Maybe silicone lube paste made with the pure powder? They do have 65% listed...


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PostPosted: Thu Mar 27, 2014 5:53 am 
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Blarg,
earlier today I saw "Ted's Holdover" at the FX counter at a gun show with an adjustable scope mount!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OOj78x2EflI

Also just found these on Airguns of Arizona. sure it is the same model numbers for D&L.
ATP61, ATP66, ATP65 $100+ per set!

BKL
288, 388 $70 per set.

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PostPosted: Thu Mar 27, 2014 6:00 pm 
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blarg .. thanks for the moly link, I was mostly ribbin ya :mrgreen:

The range for elevation adjustment is as far as you can unscrew the ring saddle from the gimbal fulcrum. If you exceed this axis the saddles will get unstable & not provide reliable engagement/stability of the saddle to the clamp/base of the ring. One can get at least about a 1/8" vertical adjustment on each ring. I do believe they make em for dovetails too.
Call SunOptics they love talking to Canadians :mrgreen: :))

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