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 Post subject: Condor .25 too hot!
PostPosted: Tue May 06, 2014 4:39 pm 
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Looks like the Talon Tunes quick change tophat with restricters is necessary :shock: Or a different mod to cool it down? :lol:

PW settings at 2/1.

6 shots with H&N Barracuda 31.02gr at 180 BAR-
1066 fps
1056
1043
1048
1032
1010

Plus took 2 more shots not over chrony.

Gun gauge reads 2500 PSI now.

Although, when pumping, the pump gauge read 180 BAR and the built in gun gauge read 2800-2900 PSI?


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 Post subject: Re: Condor .25 too hot!
PostPosted: Tue May 06, 2014 4:52 pm 
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Have you adjusted the top hat, it threads onto the stem.


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 Post subject: Re: Condor .25 too hot!
PostPosted: Tue May 06, 2014 5:53 pm 
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No I haven't. I will research into that. Thank you!


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 Post subject: Re: Condor .25 too hot!
PostPosted: Wed May 07, 2014 5:57 am 
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Man, I bet that's hitting with a thump :)


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 Post subject: Re: Condor .25 too hot!
PostPosted: Wed May 07, 2014 6:26 am 
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Probably the recoil of a light weight .22Lr rifle!

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 Post subject: Re: Condor .25 too hot!
PostPosted: Wed May 07, 2014 6:36 am 
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Sounds like a monster! I think there was some conversations around here about the different readings on the gun and pump. I can't remember the outcome but I would go by the gauge on the gun itself. I don't even know if that's right or not. Is your gun 2k psi or 3?

Cool gun dude....enjoy it!

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 Post subject: Re: Condor .25 too hot!
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EverHopeful wrote:
Man, I bet that's hitting with a thump :)

And loud as heck

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 Post subject: Re: Condor .25 too hot!
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Neither of my air tanks (one scuba and one carbon fiber) agree with the Hatsan rifle's gauge, however the 4,500psi carbon fiber tank is very close with it's 2,900psi restriction device.

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 Post subject: Re: Condor .25 too hot!
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EverHopeful wrote:
Man, I bet that's hitting with a thump :)


I bet it is :lol: Just haven't confirmed this though. Ran the chrony shots into a 'backstop' of 5+ kms of private land!

rrdstarr wrote:
Probably the recoil of a light weight .22Lr rifle!


Indeed it is Rick!

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EverHopeful wrote:
Man, I bet that's hitting with a thump :)

And loud as heck


Oh yeah! :shock: 8)

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Sounds like a monster! I think there was some conversations around here about the different readings on the gun and pump. I can't remember the outcome but I would go by the gauge on the gun itself. I don't even know if that's right or not. Is your gun 2k psi or 3?

Cool gun dude....enjoy it!


Thanks Sonic! It is 3k psi. I think I've read that too, just wasn't sure which to follow.

Daryl wrote:
Neither of my air tanks (one scuba and one carbon fiber) agree with the Hatsan rifle's gauge, however the 4,500psi carbon fiber tank is very close with it's 2,900psi restriction device.


Yeah, I was just confused which one to follow. Still am kinda :? So follow the gun gauge? The pump reads less.


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 Post subject: Re: Condor .25 too hot!
PostPosted: Sat May 10, 2014 9:08 pm 
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Managed to get a couple 20 shot chrony strings before the rain kicked in. Still kind of shooting too hot.

After some research, I tried placing a recommended o ring on the tophat. Wow did it make a difference.

Remember these stats?
M3ga3T wrote:
PW settings at 2/1.

6 shots with H&N Barracuda 31.02gr at 180 BAR-
1066 fps
1056
1043
1048
1032
1010

Plus took 2 more shots not over chrony.

Gun gauge reads 2500 PSI now.


Well I turned the power all the way down minus 4 on the power wheel to be at 1.

Pumped it up to 2700 PSI (gun gauge) or 170 BAR Hill pump gauge. Fired 20 shots over the chrony. I messed up, had the muzzle too close to the chrony, some shots were over 1100 fps. One shot even read 1902 fps! I knew something wasn't right...

Backed off a bit, pumped back up to 2700 PSI and loaded a Cuda 31.02gr. Got the following:
987.2 fps
999.4
995.3
992.7
991.3
991.6
980.9
989.9
993.1
985.9- 10 shots
988.8
983.9
989.6
984.5
983.7
978.7
978.6
977.3
968
973.2

Gun gauge reads 2300 PSI now.

A little more detuning of the gun and playing with fill pressures is necessary but this is a good start compared to the 56 fps drop in 5 shots like before.

Did a 5 shot group at 50 yards too. Accuracy is ill. 4 shots under an inch (well 2 ragged holes under 1") but the 5th shot made the group 2+".


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 Post subject: Re: Condor .25 too hot!
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 Post subject: Re: Condor .25 too hot!
PostPosted: Mon May 12, 2014 12:24 pm 
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M3ga3T wrote:
Managed to get a couple 20 shot chrony strings before the rain kicked in. Still kind of shooting too hot.

After some research, I tried placing a recommended o ring on the tophat. Wow did it make a difference.

Remember these stats?
M3ga3T wrote:
PW settings at 2/1.

6 shots with H&N Barracuda 31.02gr at 180 BAR-
1066 fps
1056
1043
1048
1032
1010

Plus took 2 more shots not over chrony.

Gun gauge reads 2500 PSI now.


Well I turned the power all the way down minus 4 on the power wheel to be at 1.

Pumped it up to 2700 PSI (gun gauge) or 170 BAR Hill pump gauge. Fired 20 shots over the chrony. I messed up, had the muzzle too close to the chrony, some shots were over 1100 fps. One shot even read 1902 fps! I knew something wasn't right...

Backed off a bit, pumped back up to 2700 PSI and loaded a Cuda 31.02gr. Got the following:
987.2 fps
999.4
995.3
992.7
991.3
991.6
980.9
989.9
993.1
985.9- 10 shots
988.8
983.9
989.6
984.5
983.7
978.7
978.6
977.3
968
973.2

Gun gauge reads 2300 PSI now.

A little more detuning of the gun and playing with fill pressures is necessary but this is a good start compared to the 56 fps drop in 5 shots like before.

Did a 5 shot group at 50 yards too. Accuracy is ill. 4 shots under an inch (well 2 ragged holes under 1") but the 5th shot made the group 2+".

Have you gotten a 0.050 Allen wrench to adjust your top hat?

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 Post subject: Re: Condor .25 too hot!
PostPosted: Mon May 12, 2014 12:40 pm 
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Whitewolf wrote:
M3ga3T wrote:
Managed to get a couple 20 shot chrony strings before the rain kicked in. Still kind of shooting too hot.

After some research, I tried placing a recommended o ring on the tophat. Wow did it make a difference.

Remember these stats?
M3ga3T wrote:
PW settings at 2/1.

6 shots with H&N Barracuda 31.02gr at 180 BAR-
1066 fps
1056
1043
1048
1032
1010

Plus took 2 more shots not over chrony.

Gun gauge reads 2500 PSI now.


Well I turned the power all the way down minus 4 on the power wheel to be at 1.

Pumped it up to 2700 PSI (gun gauge) or 170 BAR Hill pump gauge. Fired 20 shots over the chrony. I messed up, had the muzzle too close to the chrony, some shots were over 1100 fps. One shot even read 1902 fps! I knew something wasn't right...

Backed off a bit, pumped back up to 2700 PSI and loaded a Cuda 31.02gr. Got the following:
987.2 fps
999.4
995.3
992.7
991.3
991.6
980.9
989.9
993.1
985.9- 10 shots
988.8
983.9
989.6
984.5
983.7
978.7
978.6
977.3
968
973.2

Gun gauge reads 2300 PSI now.

A little more detuning of the gun and playing with fill pressures is necessary but this is a good start compared to the 56 fps drop in 5 shots like before.

Did a 5 shot group at 50 yards too. Accuracy is ill. 4 shots under an inch (well 2 ragged holes under 1") but the 5th shot made the group 2+".

Have you gotten a 0.050 Allen wrench to adjust your top hat?


Yes I do.Will try that today.


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 Post subject: Re: Condor .25 too hot!
PostPosted: Mon May 12, 2014 1:41 pm 
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Dial the top hat down to its lowest allowable point upon the stem, dont force it. Then as per the power wheel main indicator 2-4-6-8-10 fire some strings over the chrony. (1m away from bbl muzzle to chrony) That way you can see. Where you would like to be power level wise, you adjust the power wheel or you adjust your top hat. Start with that. The bbl is more than capable of sub 1" groups at 50yrds. Watch how you place your pellets into the bbl. Most flyers are caused by not feeding the pellet square to the rifling. or shooter error.

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 Post subject: Re: Condor .25 too hot!
PostPosted: Mon May 12, 2014 3:31 pm 
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Whitewolf wrote:
Dial the top hat down to its lowest allowable point upon the stem, dont force it. Then as per the power wheel main indicator 2-4-6-8-10 fire some strings over the chrony. (1m away from bbl muzzle to chrony) That way you can see. Where you would like to be power level wise, you adjust the power wheel or you adjust your top hat. Start with that. The bbl is more than capable of sub 1" groups at 50yrds. Watch how you place your pellets into the bbl. Most flyers are caused by not feeding the pellet square to the rifling. or shooter error.


Thanks! Will dial the tophat down to more snug but not tight over the o ring I placed there. There is maybe 1mm of gap on both sides of the o ring. And see where that takes me.

I know this gun has a ton of potential accuracy. Shooter error is number one issue so far I think. The scope height is massively high and I'm not used to it yet. Scope cant is a very vulnerable issue I must learn to account for with this gun as opposed to my other guns.


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