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PostPosted: Tue Dec 02, 2014 2:08 am 
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I live in Winnipeg, and we're stuck in frozen purgatory for the next few months, so I thought I would plan my spring activities.

A few months ago, I purchased 7.5 acres of property, that has some open (mowed lawn) area, as well as forested areas and meadows. I bought the property to pursue my hobbies of astronomy, and shooting, the place is .22 rimfire friendly. I've got a few nice air guns, HW97KT .22, HW100T .22, HW30S .22, pile of 2240/2250/2289/1322. There is a very diverse selection of forestation level, and excellent safe directions to shoot, especially with air guns....22 rimfire is a bit more restrictive. I've even got a DR brush mower for clearing shooting lanes!!!

I've purchased 8 of the Gamo squirrels, and plan to add more targets, and perhaps different shapes for some variety. I'd like to set up courses of fire, that are representative of what actually is used in FT competition, but more for a friendly league type of shooting. I don't want to get anal on rifle/optic restrictions, perhaps just getting some people shooting and having fun and see what develops.

What would be a good reference for setting up a course of fire, and some starting guide lines? I'm not financially restricted as far as purchasing targets, and would be happy to deal with a Canadian supplier, manufacturer.

Thanks in advance,

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PostPosted: Tue Dec 02, 2014 11:34 am 
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If you really wanted to go all out, you could get something like this:

http://www.homedepot.ca/product/max-ap- ... ame/826370

And enclose some benches underneath. That'd would make it a great place to shoot, and it would set up a good line of fire. For targets, keep your eyes on the Princess Auto sales. They have some great sales on metal paddle targets, and others.

By the way, 7.5 acres would be great for FT shooting, that's awesome!

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PostPosted: Tue Dec 02, 2014 1:30 pm 
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You have got what you need to get started, the most important factor being the will to do so.

You have some nice guns, targets and the ability to clear lanes. A big factor now will be getting people, not only willing to shoot, but willing to help in various ways to get things going. Even one guy to go out with you to plan lanes and do some of the labour would be good. Once a few people get to shoot on the lanes and see how great the sport is, you should not have trouble getting them to come back. Many will purchase their own targets and be willing to set up a lane or two for an outing.

FT is a pretty simple sport; you just sit down and shoot. You can use a bum-bag to sit on for the FT classes and/or a stool with mono-pod for hunter classes. It is an outdoor sport, so no real buildings or roof is needed. If down the road you wanted to pick up a gazebo type cover for practise or sight-in, that would be fine. At Port, we have two 10X20 gazebos that we picked up, a couple of years after we got started, for $75 apiece at CTC. We hosted the Nationals in 2008, so we had to have something in place for the sight-in range in case the weather turned bad.

Dave and Brian, the guys who brought the Ottawa FT Club into being, are perfect examples of what can be done if you are determined to make it happen. They now have a great club going and myself, and I am sure the Ottawa shooters, all appreciate their efforts.

Hard to beat a whole day out shooting and socializing with people that value the shooting/air gunning sports like you do.

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PostPosted: Tue Dec 02, 2014 2:14 pm 
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Setup targets at 10 to 55 yds and have at it , sounds like a great venue. .Kelly


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PostPosted: Tue Dec 02, 2014 4:37 pm 
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I live in Winnipeg, ....... A few months ago, I purchased 7.5 acres of property......... FT competition, but more for a friendly league type of shooting..... What would be a good reference for setting up a course of fire....


Friendly competition ~FT style!

You have my attention Sir!

What general compass heading from YWG? I'm hoping for North and/or East of YWG. . . . . .

Either way - for the purposes of starting out:
Everybody brings what they'd typically use for targets, gets assigned a lane or area, and set'em all up ranging from close to far.
After the Range Safety Meeting, everyone gets a chance to shoot all the lanes; find out what's fun, and what's not.
Review/Discuss and take it from there for the next "match".

Wonderful News! I can't wait!

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PostPosted: Tue Dec 02, 2014 4:50 pm 
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vagrant's approach sound cool.
Let us know what you settle on and we will try the same at my place in the spring.
I have one question... I see the square shooters boxes made of that look like 2x4 in the pictures from other shoots. is the box 4x4 or 3x3? and is it issued for sitting and standing off hand? obviously not used for prone......

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PostPosted: Tue Dec 02, 2014 8:43 pm 
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Plinkercases wrote:
vagrant's approach sound cool.
Let us know what you settle on and we will try the same at my place in the spring.
I have one question... I see the square shooters boxes made of that look like 2x4 in the pictures from other shoots. is the box 4x4 or 3x3? and is it issued for sitting and standing off hand? obviously not used for prone......

The boxes are at the Port Club and they are 4' x 4'. When we first installed them, the gravel was flush with the top of the 2 x 4s, so prone shooting was fine. As years go by, the wood lifts, after the winter, and the gravel settles. We will need to do some maintenance on them in the spring, including using up the gravel we have left. In Canada anyway, very few people shoot prone and at Port, a shooter can shoot from either side of the shooting box as long as the torso is behind the front edge of the box.

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PostPosted: Tue Dec 02, 2014 8:51 pm 
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Mac, your a real asset to this sport..

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PostPosted: Tue Dec 02, 2014 9:49 pm 
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Thanks as always Mac.

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PostPosted: Tue Dec 02, 2014 10:16 pm 
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Thanks for all the input gents!!! I shot IPSC for a few years (qualified Range Officer at one point), as well as HP and SB silhouette, 'tactical' type matches, and long range F class for a lot of years.

Mac, I guess a bit of guidance about some general targets....say the Gamo targets. Distance/diameter HZ/ position?? Some general guidelines. I guess this largely depends on the gear that shows up.

Vagrant, the place is about 20 minutes west of Morden, sorry!!! I like your idea about a 'folklorama' type shoot with different people doing different lanes. I don't know about shooting animal crackers at 15 feet though :mrgreen: One thing for sure, no 'zombie' themes/targets allowed!!!!

In the spring I'll be building an 8'x8' shooting shed and a 100m berm. I used to do a lot of SB and HP silhouette and will be doing SB and Air Rifle on the range, I have rails and a full set of 40 SB targets. I'll purchase the 1/10 scale AG targets. I plan on having some targets permanently scattered around the property for some quick shooting, stainless steel and leave them out all year!! I own a machine shop with lots of fabricating capability so making targets isn't a problem. The 'technical' resetting ones like the Gamo will be purchased, but I can have new faces laser cut.

It's going to be fun, and challenging! I'm just doing the finishing touches on a heated outhouse with a Sun-Mar composting toilet, along with a pretty nice 12'x12' club house for my astronomy group. I have a 20' double door shipping container there already to lock up my lawn mower and such. There is a nice fire pit, and lots of wood too, to take the chill off if any, and plenty of mosquitos if the weather is warm!

As we get into winter, perhaps a wing night to meet interested parties, and kick around some ideas.


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PostPosted: Tue Dec 02, 2014 10:24 pm 
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This is the place in question. Pretty much all of the outbuildings are going to be bonfires by the end of the month LOL


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PostPosted: Tue Dec 02, 2014 11:43 pm 
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The chart below has suggested hit zone sizes in inches at various distances. The second column distances are for non forced shots that can be taken is the legal position of choice. The Troyer factor is a difficulty scale. Kneeling and standing targets are 1" or 1,5" plus with maximum distances suggested and the difficulty of those shots are indicated in the Troyer Column. These are from the CAFTA Match Guidelines.

Suggested Hit Zone sizes and Placement

Hit Zone Size.... Maximum Suggested Distance... Troyer Factor... Kneeling maximum distances... Troyer Factor... Standing maximum distances... Troyer Factor

0.25......................................... 15....................................60.0............................... N/A .............................................................. N/A
0.375....................................... 20.................................... 53.3................................ N/A .............................................................. N/A
0.5........................................... 25.................................... 50.0................................ N/A .............................................................. N/A
0.75......................................... 35.................................... 46.7................................ N/A .............................................................. N/A
1.............................................. 45....................................45.0................................ 20..........................35.0..................................20.............................40.0
1.25......................................... 50.................................... 45.0................................ N/A ................................................................N/A
1.5........................................... 55.................................... 41.3................................ 40..........................40.0................................... 40............................ 53.3
1.75......................................... 55.................................... 35.4................................ 40..........................34.3................................... 40............................ 45.7

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PostPosted: Thu Dec 04, 2014 10:51 pm 
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Wow, those are some itty bitty holes to hit!! What is the most common position used in FT?


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PostPosted: Fri Dec 05, 2014 2:14 pm 
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Is "animal crackers at 15 feet" starting to sound a little more appealing?. . . . . . :mrgreen:

Google "Field Target Shooting Positions" and you'll see that the limit may have more to do with your personal flexibility than any other factor.

"Seated" is the primary accepted position, but prone has been controversially gaining steam. There are also shots/lanes that could be designated kneeling or standing at the discretion of the Match Director.

Gonna need to find that plan I had for a shooting harness..... :wink:

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PostPosted: Fri Dec 05, 2014 5:40 pm 
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The most common position is definitely seated on a bum-bag, with Open Division able to use a harness for steadiness, but harnesses are not allowed in the other divisions, WFTF and Hunter.

Another position used is seated on a backless chair and using a bipod for Open and an unattached mono-pod for hunter. The chairs are usually used by those who cannot get steady in the low seated position on a bum-bag. Prone is becoming popular in the US Hunter division where they can use a detached bi-pod, but I am not seeing it here in Canada very often. Some of the high or low angle shots are quite difficult from prone and the mono-pod legal for use here, does not offer the same stability as the bipod.

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