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PostPosted: Thu Feb 19, 2015 9:47 pm 
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Length for 495fps and Pal versions would be appreciated as well...

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PostPosted: Fri Feb 20, 2015 3:17 am 
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The pictures are a full power spring. I have taken apart a few phantoms and all the springs were different legths but within an inch of each other. I have a phantom spring for sale if you need one, pm me if interested.


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PostPosted: Fri Feb 20, 2015 4:01 am 
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A full power spring for a regular Phantom is ~.730" (~18.5mm), and wire thickness ~.123". It'll take other sizes tho, even up to .790". The lighter spring for 500fps versions is no doubt thinner wire and probably smaller OD to match, but I imagine there may be two different low power springs for the 177 and 22, or maybe different years. An internet friend told me his lower powered spring had .095" wire, and I've heard .118". Maybe the 177 uses the 095 and 22 the 118?
The Phantom with an "A" at the end of the model # will likely have a different size spring, but I don't know what.
Spring length varies too but a full power should be ~10". Length isn't as important as coil bind length and spring rate, and the extended length varies because the settle a bit, maybe even 10% shorter after they're used a bit. Ideally it's best to get the longest spring you can stuff in there, but most of the time you don't have a choice but to accept the length they offer so it doesn't help much. Aside from all that they may also adjust power lower by reducing the preload on it.


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PostPosted: Fri Feb 20, 2015 2:51 pm 
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Phantom under 500 is:
0.118" wire
9.040" long
0.729 O.D.
with 33-2.5/12 coil

Full power spring is:
0.122" wire
10.250" long
0.734" O.D.
with 35 10/12ths coil

This info was posted by another member here.

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I know it's an old thread, but it comes closest to what I was searching for...

The wire thickness on my spring is .096... pretty wimpy. If any one has a beefier one to sell, or knows where I can get one, pls respond! Thanks.

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Will the spring guide and top hat from the Phantom 500 will fit inside the larger diameter spring of the Phantom 1000 without too much slop? Sorry for the thread hi-jack! Huck

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PostPosted: Thu Feb 26, 2015 12:04 am 
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Huck wrote:
Will the spring guide and top hat from the Phantom 500 will fit inside the larger diameter spring of the Phantom 1000 without too much slop? Sorry for the thread hi-jack! Huck


I think the answer was posted 2 messages up from here. The spring I.D. is pretty much the same.

Phantom under 500 is:
0.729 O.D. - 0.118" wire = .611" inside

Full power spring is:
0.734" O.D. - 0.122" wire = .612" inside


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PostPosted: Thu Feb 26, 2015 5:59 am 
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TCooper wrote:
Huck wrote:
Will the spring guide and top hat from the Phantom 500 will fit inside the larger diameter spring of the Phantom 1000 without too much slop? Sorry for the thread hi-jack! Huck


I think the answer was posted 2 messages up from here. The spring I.D. is pretty much the same.

Phantom under 500 is:
0.729 O.D. - 0.118" wire = .611" inside

Full power spring is:
0.734" O.D. - 0.122" wire = .612" inside

That was pretty simple....I couldn't get it!! Thanks,Huck

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PostPosted: Fri Feb 27, 2015 6:54 am 
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The math was wrong there, the spring ID is closer to .485". The guide on my full power models is ~.475", and spring ID is ~.005-.010" larger (they vary a bit). The looser the fit inside the piston or on the guide means more twang when fired, especially a loose guide. Fyi if plan on a spring other than oem, so you don't want .025-.050" of slop on the guide or it will be obnoxious. You can however mod both the piston and guide to quiet it down substantially. So while the oem spring fits the oem guide fairly well, there's lots of slop on the piston. I hate twang so I mod mine 'till they're about as quiet as a nitro spring, also about as smooth when cocking and firing, but easier to cock.
You can order an oem full power Crosman spring which are typically very cheap and work well, or you can buy from Vortek which is no doubt better quality, and they have several sizes of OD and wire to choose from. Considering you guys in Canada get gouged for Crosman parts via a middleman, it may be worth ordering from Vortek direct.


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PostPosted: Fri Feb 27, 2015 11:01 am 
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Whoops!
Correction:

Phantom under 500 is:
0.729 O.D. - (0.118"x2) wire = .493" inside

Full power spring is:
0.734" O.D. - (0.122"x2) wire = ..490" inside


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PostPosted: Sat Feb 28, 2015 8:01 am 
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Huck wrote:
TCooper wrote:
Huck wrote:
Will the spring guide and top hat from the Phantom 500 will fit inside the larger diameter spring of the Phantom 1000 without too much slop? Sorry for the thread hi-jack! Huck


I think the answer was posted 2 messages up from here. The spring I.D. is pretty much the same.

Phantom under 500 is:
0.729 O.D. - 0.118" wire = .611" inside

Full power spring is:
0.734" O.D. - 0.122" wire = .612" inside

That was pretty simple....I couldn't get it!! Thanks,Huck

I forgot to subtract 0.122 from the .612 to give me the .490 Huck

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