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 Post subject: Re: bullpup definition
PostPosted: Fri Apr 10, 2015 4:47 pm 
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I think the rule regarding BullPup stocks is pretty clear and well defined.... It converts a firearm into a BullPup, where the trigger is ahead of the action, shortening the overall length.... It is the stock that is the Prohibited item, just like a Silencer.... I don't see any mention of being able to fire it when out of the stock or not.... Presumably you could build a BullPup and not put a stock on it, of any kind (including just a butt-plate) and it would be fine, providing the overall length was over 26" and the barrel over 18".... I would assume that if you took a conventional PCP and mounted a remote trigger on it ahead of the action, just hanging out in the breeze, you would be fine.... unless it was designed to be used with one hand, in which case it would be restricted.... However, add a buttplate, and/or a foregrip, so that you could now operate it with two hands, and instead of being non-Restricted, the STOCK (one or two piece would not matter, IMO) becomes a Prohibited item.... while the action inside that stock remains non-Restricted....

The few BullPups that are allowed in Canada as non-Restricted are built that way
from the ground up, and have an FRT number issued declaring them to be non-Restricted.... The same thing applies to certain short barreled rifles and shotguns.... you can buy them, but you can't modify something else to look like them.... It may not make sense, but it's the law.... IMO, Joe, there is nothing wrong with the action
you are suggesting, including the trigger placement.... However, any STOCK you put on it, whether one, two or more pieces.... is a Prohibited item, because the trigger location is ahead of the action as defined in the law.... and the rifle is shorter than it
would be with the trigger in the original location and a conventional stock fitted....

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Shorter yes, but still well over 26 inches.

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 Post subject: Re: bullpup definition
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Two words.... trigger position....

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 Post subject: Re: bullpup definition
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Really outside the box. . . .

What if the action was still ahead of the trigger?

Think a cross between Mythbusters Bullet Baloney, and the "Dr. Beeman pistol" (purportedly Match accurate), and an FX SmoothTwist to handle the release. . . .

How tight of radius, could a pellet traverse in an unrifled section of pressurised tube, and still be (re)stabilized; and could that radius be somehow incorporated into the butt of the stock?

I dunno why I'm even in this thread; I'm not even a bullpup fan. . . .

A U-turn under your arm, really isn't that much weirder than resting your face/cheek/ear on the breech/barrel of many of the existing BP designs. . . .

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 Post subject: Re: bullpup definition
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and to be equally silly, how would you measure the barrel length with such a U-turn?.... :mrgreen:

Alternately, if the action, and the (back?) part of the barrel are facing backwards (towards your shoulder), and the trigger is closer to your shoulder.... is the trigger "behind" or "ahead" of the action?.... :roll: :lol:

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 Post subject: Re: bullpup definition
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Since a 30 inch barrel may be hard to come by for an air gun, I'll likely go for the 24" barrel and regular stock and trigger setup. It'll only be 42 inches long, which is around normal length anyway. Thanks for all the advice.

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 Post subject: Re: bullpup definition
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Is the Evanix Rainstorm available here?

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 Post subject: Re: bullpup definition
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Voltar1 wrote:
Is the Evanix Rainstorm available here?

Yes, it is. AGS has it in .22 and .25 cal. It is not a bullpup gun. http://www.airgunsource.com/evanix-rain ... al/dp/1319


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 Post subject: Re: bullpup definition
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I think Walter means the bullpup version. Reaper has one and Airgun Source owner has the other.

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 Post subject: Re: bullpup definition
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Key words is integral trigger assy which it turn is part of the entire gun. Anything else of a bull pup design is prohibited.

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 Post subject: Re: bullpup definition
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So if the trigger stays in the stock it is good to go?

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 Post subject: Re: bullpup definition
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Not if the rcmp can find a way to fire it without. Like using a stock trigger off the shelf.

If they can fire it without the stock, then the stock is not integral to the design and prohibited if it shortens the length and has the action or magazine behind the trigger.

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 Post subject: Re: bullpup definition
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OK so over 26"in length
trigger in stock
hammer and hammer spring in stock
done deal


Joe, use TJ's liners for 30 inch barrels.

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 Post subject: Re: bullpup definition
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Maybe I didnt make myself clear. The stock and trigger group have to be integral to the design. Means they can not be removable. The components within the trigger housing can be removable. But the stock and trigger housing must be a permenant part of the weapon.

Then there is the requirement of a FRT number for a Bullpup design. There is also the Federal requirement of a Firearm Manufactures licience if over 500fps, etc etc. See how the laws get compiled upon each other. One after another hoop to jump thru.

So its jump thru the hoops correctly or your building a prohibitive weapon/ device.

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