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 Post subject: Re: PCP air tank fills
PostPosted: Sat Jan 30, 2016 6:54 am 
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There is always PRAXAIR - $65.00 per fill, $85.00 rental per year (anywhere in Canada - at PRAXAIR shops if you are travelling) - you buy the gauges though - $750.00 and they are yours. The Nitrogen tank is 4,500PSI and will last you probably over a year- maybe 2 years. I am considering this move, myself. Once loaded into the PU - it can be lashed to the truck bed in it's wooden cradle. It does not need to stand up to fill your own high pressure tanks to whatever pressure they are licensed to contain.
So- instead of buying a decent compressor for several thousand $$- you can be shooting nitrogen for $900.00 plus tax, you are set for a year. Every year after that, it's $150.00 plus tax.
The local pain ball shop just raised their prices - 60 cu ft. tank(small one) cost me $30.00 to fill and is good for 3 or 4 fills and partial fills only on my PCP. THAT'S ridiculous, but they are defending that pricing as they charge the paint ball shooters $10.00 for a 20ounce(CO2 SIZED bottle of compressed air - 3,000psi, I think).


Are the gauges on the tank necessary if you have one on the tank your filling?


The pressure in something like a welding tank or PRAXAIR can be considerably higher than that used in a PCP. It's not the gauges but the regulator that is costly.


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 Post subject: Re: PCP air tank fills
PostPosted: Sun Jan 31, 2016 3:00 am 
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Penage Guy wrote:
Lar wrote:
Daryl wrote:
There is always PRAXAIR - $65.00 per fill, $85.00 rental per year (anywhere in Canada - at PRAXAIR shops if you are travelling) - you buy the gauges though - $750.00 and they are yours. The Nitrogen tank is 4,500PSI and will last you probably over a year- maybe 2 years. I am considering this move, myself. Once loaded into the PU - it can be lashed to the truck bed in it's wooden cradle. It does not need to stand up to fill your own high pressure tanks to whatever pressure they are licensed to contain.
So- instead of buying a decent compressor for several thousand $$- you can be shooting nitrogen for $900.00 plus tax, you are set for a year. Every year after that, it's $150.00 plus tax.
The local pain ball shop just raised their prices - 60 cu ft. tank(small one) cost me $30.00 to fill and is good for 3 or 4 fills and partial fills only on my PCP. THAT'S ridiculous, but they are defending that pricing as they charge the paint ball shooters $10.00 for a 20ounce(CO2 SIZED bottle of compressed air - 3,000psi, I think).


Are the gauges on the tank necessary if you have one on the tank your filling?


The pressure in something like a welding tank or PRAXAIR can be considerably higher than that used in a PCP. It's not the gauges but the regulator that is costly.


Seems like a premium to pay for gauges and regulator, Slo Flo valves from someone like Joe Brancato something like 229.00, but don`t know if they would even fit those nitrogen tanks.

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 Post subject: Re: PCP air tank fills
PostPosted: Sun Jan 31, 2016 4:07 pm 
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Penage Guy wrote:


The pressure in something like a welding tank or PRAXAIR can be considerably higher than that used in a PCP. It's not the gauges but the regulator that is costly.


I meant the regulator and gauges you have to buy for the rental 4500psi nitrogen tank work.

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 Post subject: Re: PCP air tank fills
PostPosted: Sun Jan 31, 2016 6:15 pm 
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Are the gauges on the tank necessary if you have one on the tank your filling?[/quote]

The pressure in something like a welding tank or PRAXAIR can be considerably higher than that used in a PCP. It's not the gauges but the regulator that is costly.[/quote]

Seems like a premium to pay for gauges and regulator, Slo Flo valves from someone like Joe Brancato something like 229.00, but don`t know if they would even fit those nitrogen tanks.[/quote]


Utilizing a regulator is a matter of safety. Where you are filling a vessel from a higher pressure to a lower pressure. All Commercial application is manditory.
Its deemed as legislation for pressures above IIRC 3440psi. Below that are filling regulations set by manufactures, and regulatory boards. Any rental bottle shop (Prax Air, Airliquid) with TC/ DOT rating, a returned 4500 or 6000 psi Nitrogen tank/bottle recieve new/ rebuilt bottle valves prior to refill. Industry standard. Been that way for well over 20yrs.

As for dealing with Joe, simple email with your questions and descriptions for your purpose. Be clear and precise, it helps for a faster response from him. He is an Engineer. Phone calls work too, he is time zone is PST. Great guy to deal with even for us Canadians lol.
My Great White was his first to come to Canada, and has not had a single issue for its use it recieves.

Hope this helps the understanding and reasoning to the question.

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 Post subject: Re: PCP air tank fills
PostPosted: Mon Feb 01, 2016 12:12 pm 
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Thanks Kim - if there was a more cost-effective way to get into Nitrogen, I'm all ears. I seem to recall last time this topic of Nitrogen came up, the pricing quoted for the regulator/gauges was about mid $700.00 range. I am still thinking seriously about this, even though my current PCP's have small tanks and will mostly be used for field rats. I have the HW97 for FT.

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 Post subject: Re: PCP air tank fills
PostPosted: Sun Feb 07, 2016 1:26 pm 
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DocGadget wrote:
Look for paintball fields in your area, that's where I have my tank filled. 5$/4500psi
All the paintballers have small carbon fiber Ninja air tanks.


Hi DocGadget,

I'm thinking to get a PCP. 4500 psi - is good fill. Where do you fill your tank?
What are the other options in Montreal's West Island? Looks like there is Praxair - do they do tank fills?

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 Post subject: Re: PCP air tank fills
PostPosted: Wed Feb 10, 2016 2:18 pm 
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npMtl wrote:
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Look for paintball fields in your area, that's where I have my tank filled. 5$/4500psi
All the paintballers have small carbon fiber Ninja air tanks.


Hi DocGadget,

I'm thinking to get a PCP. 4500 psi - is good fill. Where do you fill your tank?
What are the other options in Montreal's West Island? Looks like there is Praxair - do they do tank fills?


I just bought a used high-pressure scuba tank from Centre de plongée Nepteau at 8780 St. Laurent (north east order of St. Laurent and the Met, in a little strip mall) and they are able to fill it to 3600 psi. I asked them about 4500 psi carbon fibre tanks and they said that they have NO PROBLEM at all filling them to that pressure. Said they do it all the time. I found these guys when I called all around to find out if anyone could fill to 4500 and nobody could except for these guys. I didn't want to spend the money to buy such a tank and then find out I couldn't get it filled. When I spoke to them they asked what I was using it for and when I told them it was for a PCP airgun (which I haven't bought yet) they mentioned they had this used tank and I bought it.

No luck at all in finding anyone closer in the West Island, but these folks were very helpful and I'm going to deal with them.

BTW, I'm in Ile Bizard... where in the West Island are you?

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 Post subject: Re: PCP air tank fills
PostPosted: Thu Feb 11, 2016 7:27 am 
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Mtl_Biker wrote:
I just bought a used high-pressure scuba tank from Centre de plongée Nepteau at 8780 St. Laurent (north east order of St. Laurent and the Met, in a little strip mall) and they are able to fill it to 3600 psi.
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BTW, I'm in Ile Bizard... where in the West Island are you?


good news. I'll give them a call.

... I'm not far from the Des Sources - Pierrefonds intersection.
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