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PostPosted: Wed Dec 16, 2015 3:41 pm 
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Is there any reason to get a Steel Breach for this gun other than to be able to attach a scope? Does it change the way the gun shoots in any way?

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PostPosted: Wed Dec 16, 2015 4:20 pm 
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It adds a bit of weight to the gun overall, right over the grip frame, which can be beneficial if you find the gun at all nose heavy.
The Steel Breech Kit(SBK) is well made, and takes some of the toy-ness out of the platform.

It's a very nice addition to the package, but won't really improve groups, unless you're interested in adding optics.

Trigger tuning(polishing all friction surfaces and lightening pull) will do more for your groups than the SBK. . . IMHO. YMMV.

I purchased one many years ago, and now add it immediately to any gun that I plan on keeping. Slightly smoother bolt operation
and pellet loading, after waxing the head of the breech screw. . .

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PostPosted: Wed Dec 16, 2015 4:57 pm 
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vAgRaNt wrote:
It adds a bit of weight to the gun overall, right over the grip frame, which can be beneficial if you find the gun at all nose heavy.
The Steel Breech Kit(SBK) is well made, and takes some of the toy-ness out of the platform.

It's a very nice addition to the package, but won't really improve groups, unless you're interested in adding optics.

Trigger tuning(polishing all friction surfaces and lightening pull) will do more for your groups than the SBK. . . IMHO. YMMV.

I purchased one many years ago, and now add it immediately to any gun that I plan on keeping. Slightly smoother bolt operation
and pellet loading, after waxing the head of the breech screw. . .


Thanks very much for the reply.

Any idea where a novice like me could find out about how to go about the trigger tuning you mention? Maybe I should start with that.

Cheers!

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PostPosted: Wed Dec 16, 2015 7:04 pm 
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Here << Click.

It's done on a 2240 in the tutorial, but the trigger frame assembly is identical. Basically it's a case of polishing all of the points of contact(without
changing any profiles or geometry) and sourcing a slightly softer rate spring. Even without a spring change, it can be a very pleasant difference
on most 13/22XX guns.

Parts Diagram here. . .https://support.crosman.com/hc/en-us/sections/200658070-Crosman-Air-Pistols

The trickiest part, is the safety spring and ball. Do not disassemble over carpet. Having an old speaker magnet on your work surface can help
keep these small pieces off the floor, or disassemble in a large ziplock bag. Don't be intimidated, and proceed methodically - you'll do just fine!

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PostPosted: Wed Dec 16, 2015 8:28 pm 
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The first change you want to make is the breech. Optics and good iron sights make the gun much more better! :D

Like Vagrant said polishing the sear, trigger and hammer and cutting or replacing springs works wonders.

Oh and the cheap 1399 buttstock if you want a carbine.

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PostPosted: Thu Dec 17, 2015 4:10 pm 
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vAgRaNt wrote:
Here << Click.

It's done on a 2240 in the tutorial, but the trigger frame assembly is identical. Basically it's a case of polishing all of the points of contact(without
changing any profiles or geometry) and sourcing a slightly softer rate spring. Even without a spring change, it can be a very pleasant difference
on most 13/22XX guns.

Parts Diagram here. . .https://support.crosman.com/hc/en-us/sections/200658070-Crosman-Air-Pistols

The trickiest part, is the safety spring and ball. Do not disassemble over carpet. Having an old speaker magnet on your work surface can help
keep these small pieces off the floor, or disassemble in a large ziplock bag. Don't be intimidated, and proceed methodically - you'll do just fine!

Good Luck!


Great info!!! Thanks very much!

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rrdstarr wrote:
The first change you want to make is the breech. Optics and good iron sights make the gun much more better! :D

Like Vagrant said polishing the sear, trigger and hammer and cutting or replacing springs works wonders.

Oh and the cheap 1399 buttstock if you want a carbine.

Cheers!



Is there more than one choice for a steel breech? The only one I came up with doesn't have any rear sight, let along "good iron sights". This is the one I found: http://www.dlairgun.com/Accessories/Cro ... h_Kit.html

And the idea of cutting the spring is to reduce the effort of pulling the trigger?

Thanks for your help!

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PostPosted: Thu Dec 17, 2015 4:53 pm 
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The Crosman, for just under $50 is the best value, however this company makes an all brass model. http://www.gmaccustomparts.com/Crosman-Brass-Breech-only. This company makes an all stainless steel model. http://www.cothranmachine.com/HobbyParts2.htm. they are .177 or .22 only.
This company makes a repeater that is very nicely made and uses Benjamin Maurauder magazines, .177, .22 or .25.
http://www.bnmcustom.com/.

It all depends on how deep your pocket book is?
There are muzzle breaks of all varieties. Scopes, red dots, and iron sights. Aluminum grip frame that has the bet trigger for the 22XX platform. Stock adapters that allow you to attach a AR-15 collapsible stock to the 22XX. Guys like Joe Hickey that can make you a beautiful set of grips and forend of walnut.

The Crosman 22XX is really quite a modular and versatile gun to start with if you like DIY or have the money to have someone build you a custom.

try this link just for all the ideas of possible configurations.
https://www.google.ca/search?q=Crosman+2240+custom+pistols&espv=2&biw=1366&bih=543&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwij0aC88OPJAhXRoIMKHdfTAGkQsAQIIQ

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http://airgununiverse.net/22xxvalve.html

try youtube also.

I am retired but don't have a lot of time, so research what it is you want to do.

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PostPosted: Thu Dec 17, 2015 6:53 pm 
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Alliance Hobby and Alchemy AirWerks both sell an aluminum breech that can be used with the standard rear sight from Crosman, so no need for a separate (and expensive) LPA Mim or Williams rear sight.

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PostPosted: Fri Dec 18, 2015 11:38 am 
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Great info, Rick. Thank you!

Are there any advantages or disadvantages with any of those breaches?

Right now I've got the gun disassembled and will be buffing the sear and trigger mechanism and trying to change/improve the spring.


rrdstarr wrote:
The Crosman, for just under $50 is the best value, however this company makes an all brass model. http://www.gmaccustomparts.com/Crosman-Brass-Breech-only. This company makes an all stainless steel model. http://www.cothranmachine.com/HobbyParts2.htm. they are .177 or .22 only.
This company makes a repeater that is very nicely made and uses Benjamin Maurauder magazines, .177, .22 or .25.
http://www.bnmcustom.com/.

It all depends on how deep your pocket book is?
There are muzzle breaks of all varieties. Scopes, red dots, and iron sights. Aluminum grip frame that has the bet trigger for the 22XX platform. Stock adapters that allow you to attach a AR-15 collapsible stock to the 22XX. Guys like Joe Hickey that can make you a beautiful set of grips and forend of walnut.

The Crosman 22XX is really quite a modular and versatile gun to start with if you like DIY or have the money to have someone build you a custom.

try this link just for all the ideas of possible configurations.
https://www.google.ca/search?q=Crosman+2240+custom+pistols&espv=2&biw=1366&bih=543&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwij0aC88OPJAhXRoIMKHdfTAGkQsAQIIQ

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No downfalls for the Crosman style breech, bet if you can find a left handed model if you are right handed.

BNM is much harder to single load vs using the magazine.

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rrdstarr wrote:
The Crosman, for just under $50 is the best value, however this company makes an all brass model. http://www.gmaccustomparts.com/Crosman-Brass-Breech-only. This company makes an all stainless steel model. http://www.cothranmachine.com/HobbyParts2.htm. they are .177 or .22 only.
This company makes a repeater that is very nicely made and uses Benjamin Maurauder magazines, .177, .22 or .25.
http://www.bnmcustom.com/.


Q: What's the difference between Brass, Stainless and Aluminum when it comes to the P1377 Breech?

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