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PostPosted: Wed Jan 27, 2016 9:32 pm 
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I have been using the Hatsan Air Strippers for quite a while, and they don't always align that well with the bore.... They aren't off far enough to clip, but I suspect at least some of the group size change when you slide the cone in and out is from changing the alignment.... Tim @ Mac1 Airguns makes air strippers that can be accurately aligned with the bore using two rows of three setscrews, and a wooden alignment tool that fits the inside of the barrel and the inside of the stripper cone to keep them aligned while you tighten the screws.... He is really pleased with the way it works, so I decided to make my own.... In order that the cone can move sideways enough to be aligned by the tool, I had to drill out the body of the stripper larger and install six 8-32 x 3/16" setscrews.... Here is the modified stripper and the alignment tool....

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Before you start, make SURE the gun is unloaded and uncocked, because you will be working on and around the muzzle.... The OD of the brass cone is just under 12mm (~0.47"), so I drilled out the body of the stripper to 1/2" for a loose fit.... I then retapped the 4mm setscrew hole to 8-32 (just ran in the tap, it worked fine) and drilled and tapped five more holes for the six setscrews.... They are arranged in two rows of three, on the solid part of the stripper body, one row in line with the original hole, and the other row about half way to the front end (I used 0.35" apart).... The alignment tool is turned (on my metal lathe) from a piece of 1/2" hardwood dowel.... It gets pretty flexible, so the only way to keep the diameter constant is to counterdrill the end and use a live 60* center in the tailstock of the lathe.... The large end of the dowel is just held in the 3-jaw chuck, but I marked it so that I could remove it to check the fit and get it to run concentric again (my chuck isn't perfect).... First I measured the ID of the brass cone and turned a 3.5" length of dowel to that diameter.... Once you get close, you can slide the tailstock back to check the fit, then take off another couple of thou, until it is a perfect slide fit.... Then you measure the diameter of the bore, and carefully turn down the end until it is also a slide fit, just touching the lands of the rifling.... Being wood, it won't damage it.... The stripper cone it 1.75" long, so you want the smaller diameter to go past the end of the cone about 1/8".... The last step is to reduce the 1/2" portion of the dowel to the same as the OD of the brass cone (0.47") so that it can slide inside the hole in the body.... Then slide the cone in place on the wooden alignment tool, and using calipers mark the barrel pilot 1.0, 1.5, and 2.0 calibers from the end of the cone with a pen.... This gives you an indicator of how much gap you have from the muzzle to the cone, and somewhere in that range usually works OK.... I start at 1.5 calibers.... The photo below shows the stripper on the gun, with the alignment tool in place.... First tighten the body of the stripper on the barrel threads.... Install the brass cone on the wooden alignment tool, and then slide it into the muzzle, using the marks you drew to set the gap.... A 1.5 caliber gap is shown in the photo....

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You can see the two rows of setscrews.... Start with them loose, line up the milled flat on the cone with one set, and run the rear setscrew (the one closest to the muzzle) down until it just touches the brass.... I use the one where the Hatsan label is, just so I know where the flat is.... Run the rear setscrews up until they JUST touch the brass sleeve.... It is really easy to force the cone to one side when you tighten them (the dowel bends).... but if you watch the gap between the front of the cone and the hole in the stripper body, you can see when the screw just touches the brass.... When you are satisfied that you have all three of the rear setscrews JUST touching the brass cone, then screw in the front ones until they also just touch.... It's a bit tricky, but once you've done it a couple of times, you will get the feel of it.... Once you are sure that all six setscrews are just touching the brass cone, start tightening them, just a few degrees at a time.... Work your way around and around, first the back row, then the front.... gradually tightening the screws until they are good and snug.... The wooden guide should remain easy to slide throughout this process.... Once you have tightened all the screws, remove the tool, and then slide it back in place until the end is just ready to enter the muzzle.... It should be perfectly centered, no matter what orientation the tool is in.... and should slide easily into the muzzle.... DON'T FORGET TO REMOVE THE TOOL BEFORE LOADING AND FIRING THE GUN!!!

That's it!.... Your Air Stripper is perfectly aligned with the bore.... Don't be surprised if it is nearly over against one side of the stripper body.... Some of mine are pretty well centered in the hole in the body, others are nearly tight against one side.... which shows how poor the original alignment was.... Take the wooden alignment tool and your allen key with you to the range so that you can try different gaps between the muzzle and the stripper cone for fine tuning, realigning the cone each time....

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PostPosted: Mon Feb 01, 2016 9:07 pm 
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Nice Write-up/Review. Do you know if the airstripper will help a Hatsan 135 .25?


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PostPosted: Mon Feb 01, 2016 10:13 pm 
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Would you happen to know if it fits the hatsan mod 70?


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PostPosted: Mon Feb 01, 2016 11:06 pm 
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Sorry, I don't know if it fits the Hatsan springers.... The thread, however, is 1/2"-20NF (like many "muzzle attachments"), NOT metric as you might expect....

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PostPosted: Mon Feb 01, 2016 11:36 pm 
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Bob I thought you'd make your own air stripper?

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PostPosted: Tue Feb 02, 2016 12:44 am 
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For the price, it's not worth it, IMO....

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PostPosted: Mon Aug 22, 2016 8:28 pm 
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Bob, I'm considering buying and modifying an air stripper for my Hatsan.
Did you ever check the accuracy with and without it?
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I found that if I took the time to adjust it, I was able to improve the groups.... Some feel that all you are doing is changing the barrel harmonics, but whatever is going on, I have seen some improvement with it.... I think that with more care in adjusting the gap and more testing it could be even better.... So far, it has been incremental improvement, not order of magnitude....

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PostPosted: Tue Aug 23, 2016 8:48 am 
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thanks for showing me an alternative for the end of my barrels guys, am going to order two of these now lol


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My boss at the gun range swears this helped with his poi on his BT65.


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