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 Post subject: ....pellet issues....
PostPosted: Tue Aug 02, 2016 8:52 pm 
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....So, I see that I'm getting low on pellets so I go to my local "Gone Fishin'" store to buy some more RWS hobby sports..(my usual 3 can purchase)....They are out, I'm told their supplier doesn't carry them anymore....But there's lots of Crosmans', so I buy 2 (500) packs of Crosman Competition wadcutters in blister packs that I've not seen before....I tried them out this afternoon alongside my regular RWS sports and was pretty disappointed....I'm using my S&W M&P45 because it uses the Umarex metal rotary mags which are used in some of my other pistols....The Crosmans jammed on a regular basis and seemed to 'fly around' a lot.....On close examination I found the Crosmans to have a pronounced casting line right across the face of every pellet.....The RWS Hobbies are 7.0 gr and the Crosmans are 7.4 gr (which I had to look up) so I expected some small 'adjustments' would come into play, but I figured they'd be closely matched....Also, RWS $7.47, Crosman $9.98 .....Now I'm really disappointed ! SO, has anyone else tried these so called "competition" Crosmans ? .... If so, I'd like to hear your opinion , thanks, Thumper


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PostPosted: Tue Aug 02, 2016 9:07 pm 
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Some guns love Crossman pellets - my Hatsan BT65 sure did, but only the 10.5gr. Ultra Heavy Mags. Some guns hate them,. of course, to be expected. None of my .177 air rifles, HW FWB or the Hatsan would shoot Crossman match flat heads. The FWB Model 2 match pistol and FWB 150 both loved RWS R-10 match pellets. Princess Auto here used to carry them, but stopped.

The FWB Model 2 match pistol and FWB 150 both loved RWS R-10 match pellets. Princess Auto here used to carry them, but stopped. Imagine, you can buy a match pellet made in Germany for less $$ than a flat head inacurate Crossman pellet made in the States,

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PostPosted: Wed Aug 03, 2016 2:03 am 
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As for the pellet question; in general it seems only the Crosman Premier Hollowpoints get the nod from a significant number of shooters, especially in the USA. The odd airgunner will swear by their pointed pellets or whatever other model, but quality control with Crosman often borders on Gamo levels of shabbiness and that's pretty bad. Pronounced seams ought not to be present. The word 'competition' on packaging is meaningless in this case, just salesmanship. In shooting air pistol matches for several years I never once encountered Crosman pellets on the line. RWS, H&N, JSB, loads of better brands, but Crosman and Gamo nowhere to be seen. You'd be better off buying something decent from our host's store or whichever other of the several excellent airgun supply web stores available across this country, or at least calling around locally to see if anyone has anything better than a Crosman pellet in stock.


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PostPosted: Wed Aug 03, 2016 7:12 am 
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The TSC chain carries RWS Hobbies $8.00 but as usual they're slow to restock their shelves. Always a good idea to call your local store before driving out.
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 03, 2016 8:31 am 
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I've heard it said before that sometimes pellet quality can vary from tin to tin. The quality of casting, the weight and the exact size.

I find that Crosman's and Daisy's are the most readily available so I shoot them the most. I haven't yet noticed a problem with jamming or consistency.

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PostPosted: Wed Aug 03, 2016 12:25 pm 
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I've given up buying pellets in store. I make sure to stock up on 5-10 tins of whatever I need online now. The only decent pellets in Vancouver are RWS at Reliable Gun, but only a few of my airguns like those.

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PostPosted: Wed Aug 03, 2016 12:35 pm 
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Yeah, I've bought a number of tins of RWS Hobby at Reliable over the years, and a couple of Meisterkugeln. Never a damaged pellet among them. Seems they know not to drop pellet tins. Prices on their Hobby in .22" are very fair the past couple of years. And my Atomic likes them, as does my son's 2240, and my QB57 as well. Otherwise I orderJSB Exacts from SSSO, or from Eric if SSSO is out of the 18.13gr tins.


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PostPosted: Wed Aug 03, 2016 6:37 pm 
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I would love to buy my pellets from Amazon.ca but they are notorious for poor packaging which results in damaged tins & pellets, and over priced.

Here in NB there are few places to buy quality pellets (non-Crosman) other than Bass Pro Shop and Cabelas.

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PostPosted: Thu Aug 04, 2016 12:45 am 
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...Well, I had the chance to do more 'testing' (if you'd call it that)....Tried these Crosmans in my 747 , they actually loaded smoother by entering the barrel with a lot less effort and after some sight adjustment actually made it to the target, altho' they seemed a bit slower and didn't group as well as the Hobbies....Without any magazines to jam they at least allow some relaxing trigger time ... It puzzles me that they seem slower, they are heavier at 7.4gr but they aren't as tight a fit in the barrel so it should equal out ... (putting them in a WL barrel is a sacrilege as far as I'm concerned)......I also tried them in a Beretta 92fs and had no jams, probably due to the increased power over the M&P45. But here again they flew all over taking many POA adjustments to occasionally hit the bullseye....not at all up to par with Superdomes or Hobbies,....As soon as I stock up on the latter the better, and I'll relegate the Crosmans to the Buckmark (when somebody actually wants to use it)......................thanks again for everyones' input,....Thumper ( may go to Nanaimo this week, if so I'll see what Cabelas has in stock)


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PostPosted: Thu Aug 04, 2016 1:08 am 
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thumper wrote:
It puzzles me that they seem slower, they are heavier at 7.4gr but they aren't as tight a fit in the barrel so it should equal out


Not quite how it works. The Hobby pellets have slightly fatter skirts than most other pellets. That tight fit means they take slightly longer (fractions of a millisecond longer) to get moving, but then they do it's with peak air pressure pushing them so they get moving a bit faster. Unlike easier-fitting pellets, which tend to start drifting down the bore if you blow into the breech. More wasted air with smaller pellets. Hobbys tend to be quite efficient, especially in springers, but in just about anything really as they use more of the available pressure to get them going and conserve that momentum once they are moving. Unfortunately they're not great at any serious distance, not as good as a round-nosed pellet anyway. Enter the JSB line with their soft, thin skirts which flare out into the bore very easily even under modest pressure, accomplishing much the same thing as the Hobby, though at a higher price per shot.


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PostPosted: Thu Aug 04, 2016 2:22 am 
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...I've wanted to try JSBs for a while now, so maybe here's my reason.....I do have a good stock of H&Ns and Superdomes.....I just never use them because I could buy the Hobbies locally and they were (are) certainly better than I actually need .... I am hesitant to order any pellets where I have to choose a 'skirt' size 'cause I'm 100% sure to get it wrong..... I do understand the physics behind the tighter skirt equating to higher fps....I was shooting in bright sunlight and found it annoying to see those Crosmans just sauntering along to the target like they had all day, LOL (and not even going where I wanted them to ! )....Thumper


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PostPosted: Sun Aug 07, 2016 10:54 pm 
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No worries about selecting the wrong skirt size because the only size factor you can select in (some top-end) pellets is the diameter of the dome (head) of the pellet. Re-read Gerard's tip - I think it's an excellent one. The pellets of which you have a large stock are also excellent pellets, but they may not be the ones for your particular shooter. Experiment some more, and if you find you have no use for your stash, I' sure someone would be happy to take a bulk supply off your hands at a decent price.


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