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PostPosted: Mon Aug 15, 2016 9:05 am 
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Ive asked else wheres and haven't found a answer. I like to know how to purchase a airgun from the states from a private seller or business. I have the proper licenses for ones over 500 FPS here.

I just see some wicked deals for PCP airguns in the states.


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PostPosted: Mon Aug 15, 2016 2:48 pm 
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im sure there are more ways , but here are the only two methods I know of . One is Airgun exporters and the other is oshoot.ca . Not sure if getting one from a private seller is possible . There are however mailbox services in some border towns ( state side) that would allow you to have a rifle shipped there ,but then you would have to go pick it up. Good luck

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PostPosted: Mon Aug 15, 2016 10:04 pm 
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Private seller is easy peasy. Have done many. Be sure your not being scammed.

First is to convince the seller to ship to canada. Little more work for the seller.

It "must be double boxed"

Trigger locked.

Include two copies of scanned PAL, if over 500 fps. One goes inside the box, the other with shipping info taped to outside labeled packing slip, with description of gun.

This took me awhile to figure out. If you follow it, the package will arrive if it is a legal gun. I send this below to the prospective seller to assure them that selling and shipping to Canada is legal and easy.

The FRT thing is a number you can get from the CFO. If this sounds too confusing or intimidating, you can skip it. The CBSA has a list of all the numbers and if they need to cross reference it, they can.

Now regarding shrouds, they are permitted. Shrouds with silencing baffles are prohibited. What if you want a shrouded gun that has baffles in the shroud?
If the baffles can be removed and the seller is willing to remove them, then it is permitted. If they can not be removed, then it is a prohibited.

Customs will open, 90% of the time, so seller should wrap it an bubble wrap in the form of an envelope or something of the slip case type nature. Customs will not repackage it properly if the packaging is too complicated. I know first hand.

To keep customs and brokerage fees low, use USPS and Canada post. Canada post has a flat brokerage rate that is very low.

Lastly, when the person ships, he may have a difficult time shipping from his local post office depot. Their as dumb as ours when it come to mailing firearms and often think they are not allowed. Just let the seller know that he may have a issue at some postal outlets.

With regard to letters P and S in the list. I spoke with CBSA and they said a scope and rings on the gun are permitted as well as pellets. Just haven't done that one yet.

There you go, hard work done, now just do it.


This list is what Canada Customs requires, and then some.

Our description in manifest should include this list:

Firearm detail;
(a) Make/manufacture;
(b) type of firearm; ( air rifle, pistol, revolver, rifle, shotgun);
(c) model of the firearm;
(d) calibre/gauge details (e.g., .177, .22, .20, 9mm, etc.);
(e) serial number details as shown;
(f) barrel length as measured;
(g) country of manufacture;
(h) type of action; (break barrel, under lever, semi-automatic,
side lever, lever action, pre charged pneumatic etc.)
(i) overall length as measured;
(j) condition;(used,gun oil, badly scratched, serial number
obliterated, painted, etc.);
(k) any other observation (folding stock, spare barrels, pellet clips
or other foreign objects on the firearm, etc.). 
(l) FPS (feet per second)
(m) value;
(n) make note that it is non restricted next to the FRT# which
I can provide.
      (o) Copy of my PAL enlarged and printed from email.
(p) Do Not include pellets.
(q) Trigger lock of some type. Include key in packing slip inside
box.
(r) Buyers phone #
(s) Do not include scope or rings.
(t) De-gas if it is a pcp. Do not mail charged cylinders

I think this should go in a package marked "manifest or packing slip" and secured to the outside of the box. A copy goes inside the box as well. Reminder 2x copies.

We must send it stating that a "signature is required".

DO NOT label the box indicating firearm of any type. Box must be double boxed.

I am  able to come up with the FRT # which is the Firearms Reference Table Number for this gun. It's a numbering system that the government uses to categorize arms.  Include it with the description above.

http://about.usps.com/postal-bulletin/2 ... dt_001.htm

Found this. Our part is almost at the bottom.
Funny 12.1.1-i states  i. Air gun means a gun that fires a projectile by means of compressed air or other gas (including paintball and pellet guns).

Then, 12.2 states.  Air guns that do not fall within the definition of firearm under 12.1.1a are mailable. A


This simplifies and speeds things up for us.
shipment containing an air gun with a muzzle velocity of 400 or more feet per second (fps) must include an Adult Signature service under 503.8.0. Mailers must additionally comply with all applicable state and local regulations.

 We comply. Some air gun dealers in the USA mail air guns to their customers all over the world.


A reminder, and not to worry, we have abolished the long gun registry here in Canada. Registering the gun and sending you a copy of the forum is no longer possible or required by Canadian law.


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PostPosted: Tue Aug 16, 2016 9:42 pm 
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peterdulux wrote:
Private seller is easy peasy. Have done many. Be sure your not being scammed.
With regard to letters P and S in the list. I spoke with CBSA and they said a scope and rings on the gun are permitted as well as pellets. Just haven't done that one yet.


I suspect that if the scope is "manufactured to military specifications" then it falls under ITAR and things get complicated on the export side.


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Thanks cbf.


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PostPosted: Wed Aug 17, 2016 10:29 am 
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peterdulux wrote:
Private seller is easy peasy. Have done many. Be sure your not being scammed.

First is to convince the seller to ship to canada. Little more work for the seller.

It "must be double boxed"
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A reminder, and not to worry, we have abolished the long gun registry here in Canada. Registering the gun and sending you a copy of the forum is no longer possible or required by Canadian law.[/i]


Great reply there, Peter! You've helped more than just the OP with that.

Cheers!

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PostPosted: Wed Aug 17, 2016 6:43 pm 
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Bought many, just follow the steps and everything should be fine.


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PostPosted: Sat Aug 20, 2016 3:38 pm 
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peterdulux wrote:
Bought many, just follow the steps and everything should be fine.


Thanks


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PostPosted: Sat Aug 20, 2016 8:58 pm 
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Dont order scopes from private sellers in the USA. Its legal on our end, but they need an export permit. US customs has busted people for this "crime". We dont need to make US sellers more reluctant to export than they already are.

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PostPosted: Sat Aug 20, 2016 9:02 pm 
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paddyfritz wrote:
Dont order scopes from private sellers in the USA. Its legal on our end, but they need an export permit. US customs has busted people for this "crime". We dont need to make US sellers more reluctant to export than they already are.


Yeah I know about the scopes. Its mainly wanting to get better deals on airguns.


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PostPosted: Sat Aug 20, 2016 9:06 pm 
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There is a guy who regularly sells custom QB style big bores on the yellow forum for very reasonable prices.

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PostPosted: Tue Aug 23, 2016 5:41 pm 
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So if I wanted to order from a store I cant. But If I order from a store if I can get a discount or a sale, have it sent to a friends in the states and have them do what needed to do on the list its fine?


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PostPosted: Tue Aug 23, 2016 5:54 pm 
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leadslinger wrote:
So if I wanted to order from a store I cant. But If I order from a store if I can get a discount or a sale, have it sent to a friends in the states and have them do what needed to do on the list its fine?


If the store is willing to ship to Canada, air guns are fine as they are not regulated in the USA (non-firearm as defined by ATF/congress).
If they are not willing to ship to Canada, you would need to use a friend, broker, or forwarding service.
Many dealers in the USA simply cant be bothered with what they perceive as a hassle for a small amount of business.

The RCMP webpage has a section on importing firearms into Canada. Its quite a simple process really.

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