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 Post subject: Stock Refinishing
PostPosted: Tue Sep 27, 2016 1:09 pm 
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One of my Venoms has seen a lot over the years and it needs a Touch up.Where does one go to get the gun stock refinished? .Do you guys do it yourself....or a gunsmith....or a woodworker?

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 Post subject: Re: Stock Refinishing
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 Post subject: Re: Stock Refinishing
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I stripped and did one myself and they seem to be birch stocks. The wood is bad for taking stain evenly and usually comes out splotchie. I opted for an oil finish and it looked ok but very white- blond colour. They often apply a paint to birch instead of stain to get some colour. It is an easy DIY job.


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 Post subject: Re: Stock Refinishing
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If it is a plain piece of birch, a solid stain might work.

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 Post subject: Re: Stock Refinishing
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OK thanks...I'll give it a go...first I'll verify the type of wood....if I screw up......I can always order another stock..

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 Post subject: Re: Stock Refinishing
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I'm pretty sure it's not Birch. Well, a guy who claimed to know told me, and all I remember is it wasn't a name I knew. Not super helpful but I'm voting no on Birch. The stain problem thing is true, and there's a post here recently that shows what happens when you try to stain it, and I believe it was a Venom. I remember it had an issue with the surfaces parallel with the grain not taking it, and places where open grain was exposed soaked up too much, which I've seen and hear many times before. I've heard a couple different ideas to have better luck, one was use conditioner first, the other was wet it so the grain is already soaked and thus it won't soak up too much stain. I dunno, I've done misc firearm stocks and had mixed results which I assume is one of many reasons that differentiate premium wood from misc crap wood. Like the difference between a nice plant and a weed is really just beauty right? I gotta weed whack all these damn Orchids, said nobody ever... And I doubt many people have issues staining nice American Walnut, but lowest bid chinese, and is the lowest bid is even the same wood every time?
I have a Trail XL a friend stained, and it looks great. Other Trail stocks appear nicer to me so I'm not sure if it's actually better wood used on those "premium" (cough cough gag) guns or maybe the mfg simply knows how to stain it better if the price is right. I've had other Crosman guns with a nice stain job, just not a great color, or just an ok stain job, and still others that have what I can only describe as watercolor paint, that like paint can literally be scraped off. The "grain" on those is really just the brush marks. So does that mean it was a lower budget gun, lower budget month, or different wood that just couldn't be stained well period?
I'm still waiting for someone to find the ideal way to do it, but also seriously considering going camo paint. I have some receivers/barrels that are neglected/rusted so camo seems like a reasonable plan.


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 Post subject: Re: Stock Refinishing
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Almost forgot, the mentioned pix: The Venom (top) attempted by another member recently (based on the pix'z time stamp he likely posted it this July). And a pix of my refinished XL (middle close up and just below it). The close up XL pix looks kinda oem, but the other pix shows it's clearly darker than oem. The gun at the very bottom is a Titan, which he added the white/black plastic to the grip, which was just misc scrap plastic he scrounged up and made it work, and shaped the grip so that mod looks right. Pretty cool ay? I remember the Titan had the water color kinda finish, which he scraped off with a putty knife, sanded, then stained. Unfortunately I cannot remember the details of the stain part, color prep etc. I know less about the XL. Sux because he told me the details about both but I didn't retain it. I've since emailed him but so far no re...


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 Post subject: Re: Stock Refinishing
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Geez ,the stain sure came out better than mine! Never had any trouble on my older powder guns with common wood before the Nitro Venom. Three tries with the conditioner and different applications. Just oiled it at the end. I have no trouble believing it would be some strange lumber.


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 Post subject: Re: Stock Refinishing
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Chevota wrote:
I'm pretty sure it's not Birch. Well, a guy who claimed to know told me, and all I remember is it wasn't a name I knew. Not super helpful but I'm voting no on Birch. The stain problem thing is true, and there's a post here recently that shows what happens when you try to stain it, and I believe it was a Venom. I remember it had an issue with the surfaces parallel with the grain not taking it, and places where open grain was exposed soaked up too much, which I've seen and hear many times before. I've heard a couple different ideas to have better luck, one was use conditioner first, the other was wet it so the grain is already soaked and thus it won't soak up too much stain. I dunno, I've done misc firearm stocks and had mixed results which I assume is one of many reasons that differentiate premium wood from misc crap wood. Like the difference between a nice plant and a weed is really just beauty right? I gotta weed whack all these damn Orchids, said nobody ever... And I doubt many people have issues staining nice American Walnut, but lowest bid chinese, and is the lowest bid is even the same wood every time?
I have a Trail XL a friend stained, and it looks great. Other Trail stocks appear nicer to me so I'm not sure if it's actually better wood used on those "premium" (cough cough gag) guns or maybe the mfg simply knows how to stain it better if the price is right. I've had other Crosman guns with a nice stain job, just not a great color, or just an ok stain job, and still others that have what I can only describe as watercolor paint, that like paint can literally be scraped off. The "grain" on those is really just the brush marks. So does that mean it was a lower budget gun, lower budget month, or different wood that just couldn't be stained well period?
I'm still waiting for someone to find the ideal way to do it, but also seriously considering going camo paint. I have some receivers/barrels that are neglected/rusted so camo seems like a reasonable plan.


Actually I never thought about painting it....maybe though a professional furniture finisher would probably best know how to finish the stock...whatever kind of wood it is.

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 Post subject: Re: Stock Refinishing
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I think you mean BEECH, not birch....

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