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PostPosted: Mon Jan 16, 2017 3:15 pm 
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Was conversing via email with a representative of RCMP as to what air rifles are allowed and here are some transcripts for those who are planning to bring one:

Hi Rita,

Thanks for these information. this helps a lot.

Ariel

>>> "# CFR Firearms Technical Division # CFR Firearms Technical Division" <firearmident@rcmp-grc.gc.ca> 2017-01-16 11:21 AM >>>

only if the baffles are removed by manufacturer the way that no one else can put them back, and have something to proof it to custom

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>>> "Ariel " 2017/01/16 1:13 PM >>>

Hi Rita,

How about shrouds on air rifles but without "silencer or baffles"? Are they allowed?

Thanks.

Ariel

>>> "# CFR Firearms Technical Division # CFR Firearms Technical Division" <firearmident@rcmp-grc.gc.ca> 2017-01-16 11:12 AM >>>

Good day

sorry we don't have such list. The one prohibited in Canada have either a silencer/sound suppressor or a bullpup stock.

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>>> "Ariel " 2017/01/16 12:45 PM >>>

Hi There,

I am planning to get an air rifle in the US and bring it back here in Canada. Is there a list that you can provide which models are allowed ?

I have my pal and rpal by the way.

Thank you so much.

Ariel Pitagan

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PostPosted: Mon Jan 16, 2017 9:53 pm 
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Isn't it amazing that they don't have a list of what is legal and what is not? So depending on the custom officer you get and how he interpret the law you could have a very good day or you could be facing weeks if not months of battle to prove your airgun is indeed legal to own here (if it is in fact legal to own here otherwise you just shut your pie hole and be happy they're not pressing charges against you)

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PostPosted: Tue Jan 17, 2017 8:58 am 
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DocGadget wrote:
Isn't it amazing that they don't have a list of what is legal and what is not? So depending on the custom officer you get and how he interpret the law you could have a very good day or you could be facing weeks if not months of battle to prove your airgun is indeed legal to own here (if it is in fact legal to own here otherwise you just shut your pie hole and be happy they're not pressing charges against you)


Oh, as far as I know, they DO have such a list! It's called the Firearms Reference Table (FRT) and it's maintained by the RCMP. Only problem is that us mere mortals have no access to it. Only officials (like police, Customs, etc) have access to it.

I'm sure if the OP had asked about a specific gun (it appears he asked more of a general question) whoever he was in contact with would have been able to tell him if it would be legal or not, and whether or not just a PAL would be needed or an RPAL. Or not admissible at all.

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PostPosted: Tue Jan 17, 2017 10:18 am 
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I agree with your sentiments about the "list" same with MtlBiker's comment that there is indeed a list but not accessible to everyone. Actually, the email address was where I was lead to when I clicked on the Firearms Reference Table list of the RCMP. For the specific model, the FX Streamline would be great to purchase from the US but having second thoughts after I received this response from them.

Cheers!

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Isn't it amazing that they don't have a list of what is legal and what is not? So depending on the custom officer you get and how he interpret the law you could have a very good day or you could be facing weeks if not months of battle to prove your airgun is indeed legal to own here (if it is in fact legal to own here otherwise you just shut your pie hole and be happy they're not pressing charges against you)

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PostPosted: Tue Jan 17, 2017 12:18 pm 
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This solves the mystery... I guess best way to go is to email them before trying to bring anything in from outside...

Hello

it's coming from the manufacturer with a shroud system, as is it's prohibited in Canada.

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>>> "Ariel Pitagan" <pitagana@macewan.ca> 2017/01/17 10:10 AM >>>

Hi Rita,

Just a follow up question. Would an FX Streamline pcp in cal 25 be legal to bring in from the states? This is the shrouded model by the way without any moderator.

Thanks.

Ariel



apitagan wrote:
I agree with your sentiments about the "list" same with MtlBiker's comment that there is indeed a list but not accessible to everyone. Actually, the email address was where I was lead to when I clicked on the Firearms Reference Table list of the RCMP. For the specific model, the FX Streamline would be great to purchase from the US but having second thoughts after I received this response from them.

Cheers!

DocGadget wrote:
Isn't it amazing that they don't have a list of what is legal and what is not? So depending on the custom officer you get and how he interpret the law you could have a very good day or you could be facing weeks if not months of battle to prove your airgun is indeed legal to own here (if it is in fact legal to own here otherwise you just shut your pie hole and be happy they're not pressing charges against you)

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PostPosted: Tue Jan 17, 2017 2:10 pm 
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Thanks for the info ,too bad this can't be sticky as it comes up from time to time


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PostPosted: Tue Jan 17, 2017 8:16 pm 
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You see I had this same question. But what I want is a breech from bnm with a non functonal shroud. It would basically act as a bbl stiffener but in no way be a moderation device.....
When I asked bnm if they can do that for me. The answer I got was "sure we can remove the internals"
I need to get a better answer from them on that.

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PostPosted: Tue Jan 17, 2017 8:56 pm 
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I got a shroud and breech from BNM and it was no problem. Just make sure you have the right length.

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You can buy the shroud in Canada. So the tech lab doesn't know much.


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Streamline coming to Canada, call travis at Airgun Source


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PostPosted: Thu Jan 19, 2017 9:22 am 
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Mtl_Biker wrote:
Oh, as far as I know, they DO have such a list! It's called the Firearms Reference Table (FRT) and it's maintained by the RCMP. Only problem is that us mere mortals have no access to it. Only officials (like police, Customs, etc) have access to it.


FWIW, if there is a list, and if the RCMP can not show how releasing it would cause a real harm (which is difficult to argue since it is simply outlining what we are and are not allowed to do under the law), then a $5 access to information request might get you the list. Government isn't arbitrarily allowed to withhold information - they are supposed to have good reason to do so. In this case, if they aren't able to justify non-disclosure (and there is an appeal process where you can challenge any weak rationale) then you should be able to obtain the record.

Given the frequency that this comes up, it is likely worth someone's $5 to try and find out.


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People have it ( FRT ) and can just ask. Like I asked about Crosman 2250 and its classified as a restricted.


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Has anyone tried cut metal tube pieces and stainless washers as baffles?


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Ok, one more time, shrouded guns are permuted in Canada. Shrouded guns with any type of baffle system inside are prohibited. Guns that are shrouded with baffles inside, once removed (baffles), are permitted.

My air ranger for instance, had a device inside. Had the seller remove it and ship it with no issues.


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PostPosted: Tue Jan 24, 2017 9:06 am 
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Trapper_Al wrote:
Has anyone tried cut metal tube pieces and stainless washers as baffles?


Of course not. That would be illegal in Canada. :roll:

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Ok, one more time, shrouded guns are permuted in Canada.


Agreed. As I have mentioned before the Crosman 1077 has a barrel shroud. Many upon many sold at CT. No issues. However there is a point of significance to consider. Some shrouds were designed to incorporate baffles to reduce the sound signature. These I bet are frowned upon over at the RCMP regardless if they come with the baffling or not.

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