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PostPosted: Sun May 21, 2017 1:08 am 
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Bought a tin more out of curiosity than anything else.

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There's one after hitting a paper coffee cup filled with somewhat coarse grained sand at 12 paces.

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Here's another after hitting a water filled 2 litre soda bottle. Note the head engages rifling as well as the skirt. 760 fps mv. I tried in a 1 litre bottle first, and they penetrated all the way through.
I lost the pic of the un-fired one somehow. I'll try and get it up if I can find it on the camera.

Must be a brand new die for crosman. Haven't seen rifling marks engrave that well with any of their pellets before.

Unfortunately, I couldn't get them to group out of my other-wise tight 24" 17-60 bbl.... They may be slightly over-bore. I couldn't get them to seat in the optimus, or any of my revolver mags. Haven't tried in the SAA Peacemaker yet. Maybe they'll work in the dummy cartridges.

Will try to indoor bench them this week sometime- may find out why they won't group...

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I've tried them in 6 or 7 rifles and a few pistols....they need a firm push to seat, whether it is a Chinese B2 or HW77. I think those serrations are "punched" which deforms \ expands the head somewhat.

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It was still on the camera~ failed to upload with the others for some reason...

That asterisk h.p. opening does look like it was done on a die. I suppose it would be too costly to run them through a final sizing die. Will try and find the micrometer calipers tonight and run a few through.

It takes way too much force to seat these in the optimus breech. I'd need a 12 lb sledge to seat them in that :lol: Likewise the Umarex rotary mags. Managed to get one off through the 92-F- the rest all jammed. So tight in the cylinder that the co-2 won't push them into the bore...

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Doc Sharptail wrote:
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It was still on the camera~ failed to upload with the others for some reason...

That asterisk h.p. opening does look like it was done on a die. I suppose it would be too costly to run them through a final sizing die. Will try and find the micrometer calipers tonight and run a few through.

It takes way too much force to seat these in the optimus breech. I'd need a 12 lb sledge to seat them in that :lol: Likewise the Umarex rotary mags. Managed to get one off through the 92-F- the rest all jammed. So tight in the cylinder that the co-2 won't push them into the bore...

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No problem, just telling you my experience with them. They also must be perfectly square with the bore going in. Even a SLIGHT angle and they get stuck.
Now you mention it, I did have to knock one or two out with a cleaning rod.

I have not gone back to them since that one day I played with them. Life's too short ;)

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Noticed the .22 version is 14.3 gr. I'll probably end up trying them too. The .177 expands well, but will have to do better than 1 1/2" at 12 paces. May try using one of the umarex cylinders as a sizing die- run a few through it twice to size them down a little, and see what happens....

Noticed the weight has changed on the bulk crosman milk carton hunting/field point, and the crosman competition wadcutters. They've both gone from 7.9 gr to 7.4 gr. Wonder if these are new die as well. Half a grain don't sound like much, but that's a big change in something as light as .177.

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