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PostPosted: Wed Aug 30, 2017 9:00 pm 
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if anybody saw my previous post on the 1322, you would know why i'm asking. The amercan 1322 is listed under 500fps, but if you put more then 10 pumps it goes over the 500 fps limit. I'm wondering if this would be a legal violation, because your not supposed to go over 10 if it would be legal to get a american one.


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PostPosted: Wed Aug 30, 2017 10:38 pm 
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I don't think anyone REALLY knows how law enforcement checks the 1377s/1322s....except themselves.
Is ANYONE sure how many times they would pump your gun?...or with what grain pellet for the test.
I routinely pump my 1322 to 15 pumps(2 years now) with no ill effects.....and yes it shoots to 497 fps...but only 460 at 10 pumps.....I'm sure 20 pumps would put it over...but I won't risk damage to the seals or the cocking arm...it can bend against too much resistance......so 15 it remains....HOW they test these guns is the question... :?:

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PostPosted: Thu Aug 31, 2017 5:45 am 
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I've heard they follow the manufactures suggestion and only pump to 10 for testing.And others say any number of pumps will be used to see if it can shoot over the limit.As for pellet weight I've heard for the .177 gun that 7.0gr is the standard, and also the 7.4gr..???????????I keep my gun stock, right out of the box so I'm safe.


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PostPosted: Thu Aug 31, 2017 11:08 am 
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Just talked to the RCMP and they said its legal as long as you don't go over the 10 pumps.


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PostPosted: Thu Aug 31, 2017 12:03 pm 
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Ausername wrote:
Just talked to the RCMP and they said its legal as long as you don't go over the 10 pumps.



What's legal if you don't go over 10 pumps????????
Can we build our 1377s /1322s to the max so they can shoot at 600 or 700 fps with 20 pumps but we are not allowed to pump it more than 10 times so they then only shoot 480......cuz if if that's true its good to know...... also....pumping a 1322 15 times (thereabouts) will still keep you under the legal limit of 500 fps.....however...its been pumped MORE than 10 times so apparently that's NOT legal even though its STILL under 500fps....this is why the explanations of
legal or not with these guns are murky at best.....

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PostPosted: Thu Aug 31, 2017 12:54 pm 
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If you watch some YouTube videos from the states their 1322 pistols chrony at 460 fps or so at 10 pumps so you would need about 15 pumps (as mentioned above)to put you over the 500 fps limit here in Canada.But also as mentioned above you CAN stay under the limit with say 13 pumps, which now is not allowed, even though its still under 500 fps.That law doesn't make sense. :roll:


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Justmyluck wrote:
If you watch some YouTube videos from the states their 1322 pistols chrony at 460 fps or so at 10 pumps so you would need about 15 pumps (as mentioned above)to put you over the 500 fps limit here in Canada.But also as mentioned above you CAN stay under the limit with say 13 pumps, which now is not allowed, even though its still under 500 fps.That law doesn't make sense. :roll:


at what point does Canadian airguns laws make sense?


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PostPosted: Thu Aug 31, 2017 2:27 pm 
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Yes, the airgun laws in Canada can be quite convoluted. Coincidentally, I just chronied my stock 1322 last week and came up with some interesting numbers. The only mods I made to the pistol was adding a shoulder stock & steel breech. I did 5 shot averages at various pumps using the RWS Superdomes @ 14.5 gr. Curiosity pushed me to 15 and 20 pumps to see what this gun is capable of producing.

5 Pumps ---- 378.22 fps avg
10 Pumps --- 474.62 fps "
15 Pumps --- 528.16 fps "
20 Pumps --- 561.45 fps "

At 12 pumps, I attained velocities in the high 490s and low 500s. For my current set-up, staying at the 10 pump limit; which habitually is my max # of pumps at the range will keep me at the legal limit. I normally use 4 pumps at home.

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PostPosted: Thu Aug 31, 2017 3:05 pm 
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megiddo65 wrote:
Yes, the airgun laws in Canada can be quite convoluted. Coincidentally, I just chronied my stock 1322 last week and came up with some interesting numbers. The only mods I made to the pistol was adding a shoulder stock & steel breech. I did 5 shot averages at various pumps using the RWS Superdomes @ 14.5 gr. Curiosity pushed me to 15 and 20 pumps to see what this gun is capable of producing.

5 Pumps ---- 378.22 fps avg
10 Pumps --- 474.62 fps "
15 Pumps --- 528.16 fps "
20 Pumps --- 561.45 fps "

At 12 pumps, I attained velocities in the high 490s and low 500s. For my current set-up, staying at the 10 pump limit; which habitually is my max # of pumps at the range will keep me at the legal limit. I normally use 4 pumps at home.


Well....I have to gather from your post that it is indeed legal to have a 1377/1322 pistol that shoots way over 500 fps as long as it shoots below 500 at 10 pumps.....cool....let the mods begin :D

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PostPosted: Thu Aug 31, 2017 5:17 pm 
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MyCrosman wrote:
megiddo65 wrote:
Yes, the airgun laws in Canada can be quite convoluted. Coincidentally, I just chronied my stock 1322 last week and came up with some interesting numbers. The only mods I made to the pistol was adding a shoulder stock & steel breech. I did 5 shot averages at various pumps using the RWS Superdomes @ 14.5 gr. Curiosity pushed me to 15 and 20 pumps to see what this gun is capable of producing.

5 Pumps ---- 378.22 fps avg
10 Pumps --- 474.62 fps "
15 Pumps --- 528.16 fps "
20 Pumps --- 561.45 fps "

At 12 pumps, I attained velocities in the high 490s and low 500s. For my current set-up, staying at the 10 pump limit; which habitually is my max # of pumps at the range will keep me at the legal limit. I normally use 4 pumps at home.


Well....I have to gather from your post that it is indeed legal to have a 1377/1322 pistol that shoots way over 500 fps as long as it shoots below 500 at 10 pumps.....cool....let the mods begin :D


First we should take note of this meta quote going on here, and second; why isn't something like this well known yet?


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As long as the 500 fps & 4.2 ft/lbs of energy are BOTH not exceeded, you're okay. If you have a 1322 with a muzzle velocity under 500 fps at 12 pumps, then 12 pumps would be fine for that gun. Mine just happens to fit the manufacturers specifications of not exceeding 10 pumps. Technically, I could go to 11 pumps and have 485 to 490 fps, but there's no point as I only use mine to punch paper at various distances. 10 pumps yielding an average of 475 fps for me is sufficient enough to do the job.

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PostPosted: Thu Aug 31, 2017 8:35 pm 
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Fact is the 1322s can be pumped to 20 + (regardless of what the manufactures suggest) giving you way over 500 fps and way over 4.2 fpe.We are not allowed to modify other types of pistols to achieve these high numbers but it is obviously legal to own 1322s.This makes these particular guns the most powerful air pistols we can legally own without an rpal.Its still a mystery.
Your numbers show 10fpe at 561 fps with the superdomes.And its legal because the manufacturer says not to pump past 10.Don't get me wrong, I'm not complaining.Its great that our 1322s can outshoot any other air pistol but its a law I still can't figure out.


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PostPosted: Mon Sep 04, 2017 8:51 pm 
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Not a lot of fun pumping it 20 times each shot for that little gain in speed. Perhaps if I was 40 years younger it would be ok. Hardly ever shoot mine because I don't like even doing ten pumps. My spring pistols are much more user friendly. CHEERS!


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For the price to push any more FPS from a 1377. I just bought a 700 FPS Crosman 2100.


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