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PostPosted: Fri Sep 22, 2017 1:50 am 
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So I recently acquired a walther cp99 compact BB pistol and of course wanted to strip it down. I was reading canadian gun laws regarding air guns when I thought to measure this pistols barrel.

According to our law, a pistol with a barrel length "less than 105mm is prohibited"

" Air pistols are classified as restricted if their barrel is longer than 105 mm or prohibited if their barrel length is 105 mm or less."

Well my cp99 C has a barrel length of 86.5mm?? Whats the deal with this? Im looking to lengthen the barrel to try and pick up some fps as this gun shoots sub 300fps and BB's like to come flying back...

My question is, how are these legal? Is the length something other than the actual barrel? What am I missing here?

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PostPosted: Fri Sep 22, 2017 6:08 am 
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Is it because it is sub 500 fps and therefore exempt from any regulation regardless of barrel length? Your quote says air pistols are Restricted if over 105 mm but this does not apply to all the other CO2 and other pistols out there that are all sub 500 fps.
That was probably written for high power pistols. Some expensive target pistols are also over 500 fps and treated as Restricted.


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PostPosted: Fri Sep 22, 2017 7:46 am 
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Because its under 500 FPS. If you were to make it shoot over 500 FPS, then it would be considered a prohib.


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PostPosted: Fri Sep 22, 2017 8:55 am 
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Thats what I get for reading airgun laws after midnight on wiki lol

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Air_gun_laws#Canada

Did I misread, or is the wiki cited incorrectly? I hate legal jargon :ANAL:

According to wiki:

"Canada

Air guns with both a muzzle velocity greater than 152.4 meters per second (500 feet per second) and a muzzle energy greater than 5.7 joules (4.2 foot-pounds) are firearms for purposes of both the Firearms Act and the Criminal Code.[4] Usually the manufacturer’s specifications are used to determine the design muzzle velocity and energy. Air rifles that meet these velocity and energy criteria are generally classified as non-restricted firearms; however, some are classified as restricted or prohibited, depending on the exact design of the air rifle. Air pistols are classified as restricted if their barrel is longer than 105 mm or prohibited if their barrel length is 105 mm or less. The lawful possession of these airguns requires that the owner have a valid firearms licence and that the airgun be registered as a firearm.

Air guns that meet the Criminal Code definition of a firearm, but that are deemed not to be firearms for certain purposes of the Firearms Act and Criminal Code are those that have a muzzle velocity of less than 152.4 meters per second (500 feet per second) and/or a maximum muzzle energy of 5.7 joules (4.2 foot pounds). Such air guns are exempt from licensing, registration, and other requirements under the Firearms Act, and from penalties set out in the Criminal Code for possessing a firearm without a valid licence or registration certificate. However, they are considered to be firearms under the Criminal Code if they are used to commit a crime. The simple possession, acquisition and use of these air guns for lawful purposes is regulated by provincial and municipal laws and by-laws. For example, some provinces may have set a minimum age for acquiring such an air gun. These air guns are exempt from the specific safe storage, transportation and handling requirements set out in the regulations supporting the Firearms Act. However, the Criminal Code requires that reasonable precautions be taken to use, carry, handle, store, transport, and ship them in a safe and secure manner.[5]

Carrying one of these firearms is permitted for those aged 14 or older.

Suppressors for all firearms, including airguns, are prohibited in Canada."


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PostPosted: Fri Sep 22, 2017 9:00 am 
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JWFX wrote:
Thats what I get for reading airgun laws after midnight on wiki lol

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Air_gun_laws#Canada

Did I misread, or is the wiki cited incorrectly? I hate legal jargon :ANAL:

According to wiki:

"Canada

Air guns with both a muzzle velocity greater than 152.4 meters per second (500 feet per second) and a muzzle energy greater than 5.7 joules (4.2 foot-pounds) are firearms for purposes of both the Firearms Act and the Criminal Code.[4] Usually the manufacturer’s specifications are used to determine the design muzzle velocity and energy. Air rifles that meet these velocity and energy criteria are generally classified as non-restricted firearms; however, some are classified as restricted or prohibited, depending on the exact design of the air rifle. Air pistols are classified as restricted if their barrel is longer than 105 mm or prohibited if their barrel length is 105 mm or less. The lawful possession of these airguns requires that the owner have a valid firearms licence and that the airgun be registered as a firearm.

Air guns that meet the Criminal Code definition of a firearm, but that are deemed not to be firearms for certain purposes of the Firearms Act and Criminal Code are those that have a muzzle velocity of less than 152.4 meters per second (500 feet per second) and/or a maximum muzzle energy of 5.7 joules (4.2 foot pounds). Such air guns are exempt from licensing, registration, and other requirements under the Firearms Act, and from penalties set out in the Criminal Code for possessing a firearm without a valid licence or registration certificate. However, they are considered to be firearms under the Criminal Code if they are used to commit a crime. The simple possession, acquisition and use of these air guns for lawful purposes is regulated by provincial and municipal laws and by-laws. For example, some provinces may have set a minimum age for acquiring such an air gun. These air guns are exempt from the specific safe storage, transportation and handling requirements set out in the regulations supporting the Firearms Act. However, the Criminal Code requires that reasonable precautions be taken to use, carry, handle, store, transport, and ship them in a safe and secure manner.[5]

Carrying one of these firearms is permitted for those aged 14 or older.

Suppressors for all firearms, including airguns, are prohibited in Canada."


Don't believe everything you read on Wilki. Anyone can post something on Wilki. If that was the case, you wouldn't see 1/2 the air pistols that you see. Be no PPK, no 2.5" revolvers, Lugers etc.


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PostPosted: Fri Sep 22, 2017 11:38 am 
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leadslinger wrote:

Don't believe everything you read on Wilki. Anyone can post something on Wilki. If that was the case, you wouldn't see 1/2 the air pistols that you see. Be no PPK, no 2.5" revolvers, Lugers etc.



lol tell me about it... I was looking at laws from different countries and read Canada's as I was scrolling past it.
I fell for it because I have read that barrel length part before, though I thought I had caught something previously missed..

/facepalm :rolleyes:


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