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PostPosted: Tue Mar 20, 2018 2:50 pm 
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So looks like a registry and log is coming back. Having someone say. I have a PAL. Isn't good enough now.

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Non restricted transfers will require a the seller to call in the sale, get a transfer number, the buyer has to call in with said transfer number to complete the transaction.


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Retailers must keep records of non restricted sales and police can examine them under judicial order


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PostPosted: Tue Mar 20, 2018 3:08 pm 
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utter bs.

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PostPosted: Tue Mar 20, 2018 3:25 pm 
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Yup,

Let's get the retailers to do all the work for free.

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PostPosted: Tue Mar 20, 2018 3:29 pm 
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What did people think would happen when they voted Liberals? you could see it happening if/when they got back in. Sold a lot of mine and bought new ones when registry was scrapped as I have no trust the registry is totally gone. CHEERS! I own no guns now. LOL


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PostPosted: Tue Mar 20, 2018 4:18 pm 
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Yes - I've been busy too - I'm down to two.

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PostPosted: Tue Mar 20, 2018 4:30 pm 
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leadslinger wrote:
So looks like a registry and log is coming back. Having someone say. I have a PAL. Isn't good enough now.

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Non restricted transfers will require a the seller to call in the sale, get a transfer number, the buyer has to call in with said transfer number to complete the transaction.


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Retailers must keep records of non restricted sales and police can examine them under judicial order


some questions

So - when calling in the sale, do they/gov't ask what is it along with S# etc? Nothing stated on that --- yet.

Why would a transfer number be necessary if the firearm is not 'registered' to an individual already, thus not necessitating a "transfer" permit?

It would have to be registered to a person at an fixed address for a transfer to be necessary in the first place.

Now, such a transfer as they indicate could/would indeed be the start of a back-door registry - however ALL the firearm information would need be recorded by THEM

for this to work as such.

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PostPosted: Tue Mar 20, 2018 5:40 pm 
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Daryl wrote:
leadslinger wrote:
So looks like a registry and log is coming back. Having someone say. I have a PAL. Isn't good enough now.

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Non restricted transfers will require a the seller to call in the sale, get a transfer number, the buyer has to call in with said transfer number to complete the transaction.


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Retailers must keep records of non restricted sales and police can examine them under judicial order


some questions

So - when calling in the sale, do they/gov't ask what is it along with S# etc? Nothing stated on that --- yet.

Why would a transfer number be necessary if the firearm is not 'registered' to an individual already, thus not necessitating a "transfer" permit?

It would have to be registered to a person at an fixed address for a transfer to be necessary in the first place.

Now, such a transfer as they indicate could/would indeed be the start of a back-door registry - however ALL the firearm information would need be recorded by THEM

for this to work as such.


Not sure, Its not law yet. Just went thru the first reading.


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PostPosted: Tue Mar 20, 2018 7:41 pm 
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Short term as Ontario Premier and as Prime Minister Doug Ford will end it once again. Maybe we will even get another long weekend a year from him. Call it "Rob Ford bobblehead day". :lol: :lol: :lol:


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PostPosted: Tue Mar 20, 2018 8:54 pm 
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Just curious....
Will this end up being like selling a preowned vehicle and transferring ownership... someone is going to want GST or PST on said transfer?


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PostPosted: Tue Mar 20, 2018 10:09 pm 
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Daryl wrote:
leadslinger wrote:
So looks like a registry and log is coming back. Having someone say. I have a PAL. Isn't good enough now.

Quote:
Non restricted transfers will require a the seller to call in the sale, get a transfer number, the buyer has to call in with said transfer number to complete the transaction.


Quote:
Retailers must keep records of non restricted sales and police can examine them under judicial order


some questions

So - when calling in the sale, do they/gov't ask what is it along with S# etc? Nothing stated on that --- yet.

Why would a transfer number be necessary if the firearm is not 'registered' to an individual already, thus not necessitating a "transfer" permit?

It would have to be registered to a person at an fixed address for a transfer to be necessary in the first place.

Now, such a transfer as they indicate could/would indeed be the start of a back-door registry - however ALL the firearm information would need be recorded by THEM

for this to work as such.


It would appear, based on the wording, that there is no lawful requirement for the seller to either identify himself or the item being sold. It is not a transfer permit but is described as a reference number. You are merely asking if a PAL is valid and they would provide formal proof of such. The problem is in the logistics. How do sell a gun on the weekend, at a gun show, or just can't get through to the CFC or whatnot. If the validation info could be obtained online in real time it would be more workable. I can see this provision ending up being yet another "red tape" failure that was ill conceived by people with a lack of knowledge. The irony is that there is no requirement to state that a gun has indeed been transferred as the reference is obtained before a sale/transfer, and any particular sale can fall through. So it is a useless provision. I suppose one could make the case that it protects the seller, but even that is a stretch.


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PostPosted: Tue Mar 20, 2018 11:23 pm 
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According to one news article the Liberals are setting up a website the vendor logs into and types in both his license and the buyers license number and the website then checks and verifies whether they are valid. Still a bunch of hassle but better than having to call anyway.


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PostPosted: Tue Mar 20, 2018 11:37 pm 
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Yes just read

https://globalnews.ca/news/4094224/real ... anges/amp/

Lots of BS now to deal with!!!!


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PostPosted: Wed Mar 21, 2018 12:16 am 
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jwg wrote:
Yes just read

https://globalnews.ca/news/4094224/real ... anges/amp/

Lots of BS now to deal with!!!!


Not sure why the seller has to provide his PAL ( according to the article ).... could it be they fishing for something ?


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Ron G. wrote:
jwg wrote:
Yes just read

https://globalnews.ca/news/4094224/real ... anges/amp/

Lots of BS now to deal with!!!!


Not sure why the seller has to provide his PAL ( according to the article ).... could it be they fishing for something ?


Start of a backdoor registry, why else?


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PostPosted: Wed Mar 21, 2018 9:38 am 
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leadslinger wrote:
Ron G. wrote:
jwg wrote:
Yes just read

https://globalnews.ca/news/4094224/real ... anges/amp/

Lots of BS now to deal with!!!!


Not sure why the seller has to provide his PAL ( according to the article ).... could it be they fishing for something ?


Start of a backdoor registry, why else?
I would agree but there is no requirement to identify the firearm being sold ... as far as I can tell.

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