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PostPosted: Tue Jun 19, 2018 6:00 pm 
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Hi.

I asking for suggestions for a decent machine in .22 caliber. Something that won't alert the neighbors, capable of putting 5 pellets in a dime at 25 yards, and with enough KE to trim down the groundhog population.
I'm in no rush to buy and I would probably buy second hand. my budget is from $300 to $450 maybe....

what do you think I should get please.

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PostPosted: Tue Jun 19, 2018 8:34 pm 
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You're probably looking at Benjamin trail kind or something close to that, I have that and I just so surprise about it's noise level, even thou the Canadian version have the baffles remove, the noise is very minimal.


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PostPosted: Tue Jun 19, 2018 11:54 pm 
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I would not even suggest a .22 LR for groundhogs -even though having over double the FPE of the BEST .22 air guns.
Now, I only shot wood chucks for 13 years, but a 6.5 Rem Mag was my first GREAT woodchuck rifle. The
second was a .22-250 made by P.O. Ackley. THOSE were good woodchuck rifles. .22 LR's suck at that game
at any more than point blank ranges - even there, it's HV HP's & head shots.
I have only shot just over 1,000 ground hogs and perhaps 12,000 gophers.
Air rifles are great for gophers at whatever your accuracy range allows head and chest shots.
I would not use anything short of an Air force .25 Condor on ground hogs and then only out to about 50yards
& only with 51gr. FPBT cast bullets. Woodchucks are tough, have tough skins and heavy fat. They absorb poorly
placed shots and get down the hole to perhaps die a lingering death.
If you are going to shoot them, do it right, not with a marginal air rifle. CF's for woodchucks, imho.

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PostPosted: Wed Jun 20, 2018 12:12 am 
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Good point. Anything quiet enough probably won't be powerful enough. Might have to trap them?

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PostPosted: Wed Jun 20, 2018 8:39 am 
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Yeah... that's simple and true... Quiet enough means not enough take down power.

And if a .22 LR is not enough to finish the job, no air rifle in your price range can do it right even the loudest one...

I attached two pictures for your reference... A .22 powder burner bullet can hit through the non-stick pan which the high power air rifle can only left a den... And a quiet sub 500fps .22 would only leave a mark (or not) I think....

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PostPosted: Wed Jun 20, 2018 8:57 am 
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I agree with Daryl. You cannot guarantee an ethical kill with most pellet guns. Ground hogs are tough hombres.

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PostPosted: Wed Jun 20, 2018 4:39 pm 
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Yes I now also agree with the majority about not being an ethical shot

therefor I changed my mind and will find another solution, ( chicken wire I guess....)

thank you to everyone for your opinions and concerns
greatly appreciated (groundhogs reiterating )

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PostPosted: Fri Jun 22, 2018 11:18 am 
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Where abouts in Montreal are you? I'm in Ile Bizard and I've never seen a groundhog. Squirrels (plenty!) yes, but never a groundhog.

I'm guessing that you are off the island somewhere. How often do you see the groundhogs? Do you have close neighbours? Might be an idea to invite some of us over one day to help you with your uh, problem.

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Does it need to be an air rifle?
If you're looking for higher FPE and want to keep the noise level down.
Maybe you should be looking at a Crossbow.
Just another suggestion for you.


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WOW ~ that's cool!

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PostPosted: Sat Jun 23, 2018 10:36 am 
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HuskyDude wrote:
Does it need to be an air rifle?
If you're looking for higher FPE and want to keep the noise level down.
Maybe you should be looking at a Crossbow.
Just another suggestion for you.


Not sure this is a good suggestion, Dave.
Arrows kill by hemorrhaging/bleeding out the victim, thus good, sharp broadheads are necessary.
Oft times, a woodchuck will make it down the hole after being holed through and through by a
broadtipped arrow. Yes - the wood chuck will die quickly and usually this is without even the pain
it would feel from being blunted, or an airgun pellet. That is the method/system of an arrow.
If using a small diameter blunt, there is not enough kinetic energy to kill a ground hog. Of that I
am certain. A 2oz. gopher yes, but a 12 to 14 pound tenacity driven groundhog - I am afraid not.
When I was a kid back in South Western Ontario, I tried just about everything on chucks, spears and
atlatl darts (better than an arrow due to having a 3" wide broadhead on them), recurve bows with
bodkin broadheads, air rifles & .22RF's. The .22rf's worked with head and centre-chest shots, out to100yards,
but just a tich low or high in the neck, or off to one side only getting a single lung and hot the heart, the chuck
would make it down the hole. They did this with arrows sticking 15" out their backs too - that was unnerving for
me and unnecessary suffering, I felt, for the chuck.
The only .22 that worked reasonably well as a Mossberg .22 Chuckster, .22 WMR with 40gr. HP's at 2,000fps(advertised speed).
From there I went 6.5 mag and .22-250.
Both CF's worked very well, form point blank ranges out to 400yards, about the farthest shots we had in West Nissorri Township.
With the 22-250, shots at 400yards had to be in the chest, however an 85gr. or 100gr. HP from the 6.5 hit anywhere would spread
chuck all over a 15' area in the field - instant kill. As I grew older, this became a most important aspect of hunting for me, that is,
choosing a projectile & firearm that would not cause the animal an inordinate amount of grief.

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