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 Post subject: Re: Umarex products and
PostPosted: Fri Oct 12, 2018 10:22 am 
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YepYep wrote:
Hmm ~ will do some homework later... Looks the rumor say no shooting in back yard in GTA ( Scarborough)... And nothing mentioned inside my own house/ private property...

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That’s correct. It’s the legal wording that gets people confused. Our bylaw says “lands” not in home made basement ranges. So I think your good. As well I put leadslinger on my ignore list. He is too confrontational for me. I rather just enjoy the casual discussion around air guns.

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 Post subject: Re: Umarex products and
PostPosted: Fri Oct 12, 2018 10:41 am 
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YepYep wrote:
Oh, yeah, the little guys need to attend the school in your household area within their walking distance right?

So school just close to other school in the city...

Sigh... Again the by laws are always only for the good ppl who will follow... And isn't that they just wasting the police manpower in visiting these ppl?

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I don't believe the schools has anything to the reason why people are visited by the police. I mean I kinda find it hard to believe a guy every 2 weeks because hes a teacher? Or close to schools. Because if that was the case? I would have been visited by the police many times in many locations. Always living with school within walking distance.

By Laws are there for everybody to be happy where they live. Like I hate dogs barking 24/7. There a bylaw against that. But what comes around, goes around. You start going after people for violations of bylaws. They will start going after you. So make sure every t's is crossed and i's are dotted.

I'm just saying since some people like to give false legal advice. That be aware that inside your house is still within the city limits. No if's and's or butts. You might think it's okay because no sound leaving. That you can be fined if they really want to. So somethings are best left unsaid..

But Ive asked my firearm friends, some are teachers, some military, some police and there is a lot of fail in this thread. Markings on an airgun isn't going to make a gun call any better or worst. Be treated the same. Being a gun owner and a teacher doesn't make you visited by the police.

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 Post subject: Re: Umarex products and
PostPosted: Fri Oct 12, 2018 10:53 am 
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B-Aube wrote:
YepYep wrote:
Hmm ~ will do some homework later... Looks the rumor say no shooting in back yard in GTA ( Scarborough)... And nothing mentioned inside my own house/ private property...

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That’s correct. It’s the legal wording that gets people confused. Our bylaw says “lands” not in home made basement ranges. So I think your good.


Every bylaw may be worded different. Well your house is on the land of your bylaw area, that includes basement as well. Show me were it said land of ???? It says City. Your house is within your city. So is the basement. Doing research for towns/cities within the GTA, And they all came back with within city, or boundaries of ???

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D.Former City of Scarborough By-law No. 22959, "being a by-law to prohibit the discharge of firearms in the City of Scarborough."


Just because you think it's right to do so, doesn't make it legal to do so.


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PostPosted: Fri Oct 12, 2018 2:44 pm 
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BBKen wrote:
Do all Umarex BB/pellet guns have the warning message on the guns in white lettering. I"ve had my eye on a few models, but the warning message ruins the look of the gun too much for me. It looks like Sig Sauer does the same...I think Beretta as well but not sure.


There has been quite a bit of discussion on this as you can see from the posts. Some a bit off topic, but I did acquire some info on it. The source is the at the firearmident@rcmp-grc.gc.ca website and their number is tel:1-800-731-4000 ext 1090.

I forget her name, but explained if an air pistol <500 FPS has this white lettering can it be coloured over. Not a practise recommend and she said as well it is illegal to colour over the warning to hid not because it says “not a toy” or something similar, but because it also gives the caliber. It’s like removing the serial number in their eyes. She stated since it’s not a real firearm doesn’t mean we as owners of these air guns can over ride what is written in the firearm act. It sucks as I own 5 with the same white lettering, but it doesn’t interfere with Airgun performance. Hope that helps. All the best.

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PostPosted: Fri Oct 12, 2018 5:07 pm 
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B-Aube wrote:
BBKen wrote:
Do all Umarex BB/pellet guns have the warning message on the guns in white lettering. I"ve had my eye on a few models, but the warning message ruins the look of the gun too much for me. It looks like Sig Sauer does the same...I think Beretta as well but not sure.


There has been quite a bit of discussion on this as you can see from the posts. Some a bit off topic, but I did acquire some info on it. The source is the at the firearmident@rcmp-grc.gc.ca website and their number is tel:1-800-731-4000 ext 1090.

I forget her name, but explained if an air pistol <500 FPS has this white lettering can it be coloured over. Not a practise recommend and she said as well it is illegal to colour over the warning to hid not because it says “not a toy” or something similar, but because it also gives the caliber. It’s like removing the serial number in their eyes. She stated since it’s not a real firearm doesn’t mean we as owners of these air guns can over ride what is written in the firearm act. It sucks as I own 5 with the same white lettering, but it doesn’t interfere with Airgun performance. Hope that helps. All the best.


You should have asked for the specific statute that states this as what you were told is BS.
People mistakenly look to the police to clarify laws. Most of the time, they dont know.
Many airguns dont even have a serial number so how could they be imported or sold in Canada if they had to comply with firearm marking regulations.
The white warning markings on many airguns are added by the distributors legal team. If you buy a KWC branded pistol verses the same KWC pistol sold by Umarex, you will find the KWC does not have white letters.

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PostPosted: Fri Oct 12, 2018 5:39 pm 
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paddyfritz wrote:
B-Aube wrote:
BBKen wrote:
Do all Umarex BB/pellet guns have the warning message on the guns in white lettering. I"ve had my eye on a few models, but the warning message ruins the look of the gun too much for me. It looks like Sig Sauer does the same...I think Beretta as well but not sure.


There has been quite a bit of discussion on this as you can see from the posts. Some a bit off topic, but I did acquire some info on it. The source is the at the firearmident@rcmp-grc.gc.ca website and their number is tel:1-800-731-4000 ext 1090.

I forget her name, but explained if an air pistol <500 FPS has this white lettering can it be coloured over. Not a practise recommend and she said as well it is illegal to colour over the warning to hid not because it says “not a toy” or something similar, but because it also gives the caliber. It’s like removing the serial number in their eyes. She stated since it’s not a real firearm doesn’t mean we as owners of these air guns can over ride what is written in the firearm act. It sucks as I own 5 with the same white lettering, but it doesn’t interfere with Airgun performance. Hope that helps. All the best.


You should have asked for the specific statute that states this as what you were told is BS.
People mistakenly look to the police to clarify laws. Most of the time, they dont know.
Many airguns dont even have a serial number so how could they be imported or sold in Canada if they had to comply with firearm marking regulations.
The white warning markings on many airguns are added by the distributors legal team. If you buy a KWC branded pistol verses the same KWC pistol sold by Umarex, you will find the KWC does not have white letters.


It was not about the colour per say. It was the defacing of the caliber of the gun regardless of how it’s on there. Every air pellet gun I every own had some kind of serial number on it. If your interested in learning more about it the contact info is provided above. Feel free to take it up with them to find out the specific statute and ask why KWC regular airguns doesn’t have a serial number. Regards,

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PostPosted: Fri Oct 12, 2018 6:06 pm 
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B-Aube wrote:
It was not about the colour per say. It was the defacing of the caliber of the gun regardless of how it’s on there. Every air pellet gun I every own had some kind of serial number on it. If your interested in learning more about it the contact info is provided above. Feel free to take it up with them to find out the specific statute and ask why KWC regular airguns doesn’t have a serial number. Regards,


Patty is pretty upto date on Firearms laws. And we know not to trust what the Canadian Firearm Program has to say. We're fighting daily with firearm groups, Our fire arm rights and privileges. And general consensuses is RCMP or the CFP has no sweet clue. In the firearm world we take what they say with a grain of salt.


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PostPosted: Fri Oct 12, 2018 6:23 pm 
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If you want a true legal opinion, ask the lawyers at the ccfr. Cops enforce laws, lawyers interpret them, as well as giving us white warning labels.

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PostPosted: Fri Oct 12, 2018 6:34 pm 
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paddyfritz wrote:
If you want a true legal opinion, ask the lawyers at the ccfr. Cops enforce laws, lawyers interpret them, as well as giving us white warning labels.


No need to take it further. I was satisfied with their response. Thank you for your input.

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PostPosted: Fri Oct 12, 2018 6:52 pm 
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B-Aube wrote:
paddyfritz wrote:
If you want a true legal opinion, ask the lawyers at the ccfr. Cops enforce laws, lawyers interpret them, as well as giving us white warning labels.


No need to take it further. I was satisfied with their response. Thank you for your input.


I could use my legal defense and call up my firearms lawyer. He probably tell me total opposite what the CFP said.


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PostPosted: Fri Oct 12, 2018 7:40 pm 
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There is more than one person posting in this thread who has been identified by other members as being very generous with knowledge they do not have. Offering advice without experience and stating facts that are in no way factual is confusing and potentially dangerous to newer, learning members, and just plain annoying to older members.


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