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PostPosted: Sat Sep 28, 2019 12:35 am 
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Paul is a true craftsman. I'm very impressed his work.

It's a 12fpe optimized kit for the 97/77 platform. The titanium piston is considerably lighter than the original steel one. Being easier to move, Paul uses a thinner spring which means less cocking effort. The comp tube and piston have acetal rings so no metal to metal contact. The piston also has a PTFE liner to further dampen vibration. Everything's polished and all play and loose tolerances are minimized. Everything's just so well engineered. Annnnnd, I don't know why but it feels like it has even less recoil than a 22mm converted TX. This 97 has a hollow synthetic stock, it should absorb less recoil than the wood-stocked TX. But it has less felt recoil!?! Can't wait to test this at the range weather permitting. If you're interested in a more radical tune than just a spring, fitted top hat and spring guide, drop Paul a message at gamekeeper43athotmail.com. Anyway, pics:


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PostPosted: Sat Sep 28, 2019 12:36 am 
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More pics


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PostPosted: Sat Sep 28, 2019 12:42 am 
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More pics. Note the slight short stroking compared to a standard piston. Also, Paul added a nylon screw to the piston. Not sure what this does but as it's a tight fit on the groove of the action, it's probably to tighten tolerances even further. All I know is it works!


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PostPosted: Sat Sep 28, 2019 8:58 am 
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Beautiful. I look forward to a range report.

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PostPosted: Sun Sep 29, 2019 12:52 am 
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(Bear with me for a couple posts. Don't know why but it seems a reply is limited to attaching three pics only. Have a couple of pics.)

Initial testing is very promising. Lost a scope but overall it was a good day. Really3x wish I had more time today but it was just too cold as evening approached and my shaking was affecting the results.

The range had target stands at 50m(55yds) and, according to the sign there, 25m. But when the near target stand was measured with a rangefinder, it was indicating 30yds/27.4m! That near range was off. Testing the 97 was mostly done at 30yds with a Hawke Sidewinder SR PRO. Was checking what pellets it liked best with the new internals and settled on H&N FTT. Was easily hitting 20mm dots at 30 yds. Was also loving the SR Pro reticle. It's calibrated for the ballistic curve of a 12fpe rifle and it was bang on! Zeroed at 30yds, the 55yd target almost dead on if you holdover using the 3rd crosshair down (I think they Hawke intended that 3rd hashmark for 50yds).

Noticed the zero was wandering every couple of shots then noticed that the mounts had crept back about an inch! I was sure I placed the rear mount directly over the middle arrestor hold. Now it was almost near the edge of the action. So I moved the mounts forward and this time absolutely tightened them to the action. Looked through the scope, nice and clear. Pulled the trigger, everything went blurry. Had to adjust parallax to 50yds for it to focus to the 30yd target. Okaaaaayyyy... so when the target was nice and clear again, on a hunch, took another shot and yup, pic went blurry again. This time, had to adjust parallax to roughly 100yds for it to focus to 30. Yup... Scope's AO is broken. After tightening the mounts to the action, the scope must have taken all the shock that it wasn't while the mounts were sliding back. Nuts on a horse... And this was a Hawke. Supposed to be airgun rated. Not sure if I can get warranty on this as this was pre-owned (Skanzy, if you're reading this, this was your scope buddy).

Removed the Sidewinder and installed an Airmax that was on another rifle to the 97. Which is too bad as I really wanted to test that other rifle out. Anyway, Airmax mounted and zeroed and I was hitting 20mm dots at 30yds again. This was when another shooter asked what I was shooting and I said air rifles. She was quite taken by the TX200 and asked if she could try it. And wow! could she shoot. I normally group 1.5 to 1.75 inches at 55yds. She grouped a half inch with three shots. Turns out she's a very experienced shooter and just took second place on a shooting event (ORPS) at the range this morning. Asked for some advice and she told me my biggest issue is probably my trigger pull. She said to pull the trigger gradually and the break is supposed to surprise me. Just keep the crosshair on target, squeeze and let the break surpise me, and also deep breathes, let it all out, then hold, then fire.... it worked. (What I've been doing was feeling for the second stage, keeping the crosshairs on target, then I would quickly but gently pull the trigger so the rifle fires while on target.) My groups tightened up and I was cloverleafing at 30, still not at 55. Was now targeting the printed numbers, not the dots and the results weren't half bad. Would still pull a shot every now and then but that's on me. I need more practice. Another tip to me was to try a sock filled with rice and let the buttpad rest on that. Then I would just squeeze/release the sock to raise/lower crosshair elevation. Will have to try this.

So after some more tips and super concentrating, I started shooting the numbers on the target. Still pulled some shots but the results were very good. Anyway, pics:
-so that's the range and those're the targets
-if you see where the buttpad is touching the bench, I'm supposed to put a rice-filled sock there to help keep the rifle steady.
-that rear mount was over the middle arrestor hole when I installed it.


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PostPosted: Sun Sep 29, 2019 1:03 am 
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More pics:
-this was her 3shot group with the 22mm TX at 50m/55yds. 0.53" ctc. That's just sub MOA.
-this was my initial grouping at 30yds
-this was me targeting the printing after getting schooled. This wasn't right away. I practiced for about two hours after she left before I tried shooting the printing, the dots got too easy. Some of those shots were pulled. For those shot that I knew I executed correctly (you feel it before you see the result on paper), this can be the result (next pic).


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PostPosted: Sun Sep 29, 2019 1:16 am 
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More pics:
-targeting the printed numbers. Dead on (almost) at 30yds. I pulled that one between the 8 and 9. The one that's touching the ring.
-if we ignore that flyer, and superimpose the 7, 8 and 9 on top of each other, then the hole near the 8 would just be to touching the top left of the 7. The hole on the 9 would be between then. That would roughly be a quarter inch, 3 shot group.
-at the end of the day, I think the 22mm TX is still better. That lesser felt recoil on the 97 must have been just the kit freshly installed. Now, the rifle's starting to loosen up and I wish I could put a wood stock on this 97. The TX has lesser recoil. Who knows, this may change in the future. For now, all hail the TReX, but the Ti piston 97 is definitely in this fight.


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PostPosted: Sun Sep 29, 2019 1:27 am 
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-so this Airmax will have to go back to that other springer as it's a magnum, and I don't trust any of my other scopes to survive. Kind of disappointed with Hawke right now but, it's the perfect excuse to get a new one. Been curious to try FFP and a Cabela's is just along the way to the house...
-so went ahead and just got this. This will be going on the 97 and I hope it survives. If not, Vortex's warranty is allegedly excellent and will sell the replacement. Hopefully will have time to return to the range tomorrow and zero it.


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PostPosted: Sun Sep 29, 2019 1:45 am 
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Nice shooting lanV...
Is the range in or around Edmonton?


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PostPosted: Sun Sep 29, 2019 2:06 am 
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Nice shooting lanV...
Is the range in or around Edmonton?


Thanks Err. It's a bit out. About a 45min drive from where I live. About 30 if you're in the southeast and about an hour if you're northwest. Sherwood Park Fish and Game Association Gun Range. I don't memorize the address (it's rural addressing) but if you Google The Footloose Caboose, you're very near it.


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PostPosted: Mon Oct 14, 2019 10:09 pm 
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Just a quick update: So had about 2.5 - 3 hrs at the range today. The rifle bedded in a little since last going to the range. Probably needs a tin and a half of pellets to really settle down. The bag/sock under the buttstock suggestion really helped. But my breath/body and trigger control really needs some work. I once managed a 0.6 inch 3 shot group at 50m after really, really concentrating but made that into a 1 inch 5 shot group a minute later... such is life. I really think this rifle is sub-MOA in the right hands. Anyway pics:

- This is 10 shot group at 50m/55yds, litterally the first ten shots at the range. Just warming up/fooling around with lazy technique (no slow squeeze of the trigger) and no bag under the buttstock. Fairly forgiving.
- Tried the bag (just a sock filled with black beans). It really helped. Was getting 0.75 to 1 inch groups at 50m (I had 1.5 before). Still aspiring for half inch groups. Someday.
- Tried a drinking straw. Cut it after three shots. Tried rimfire casings next but I think I just got lucky with the straw. Went about 3 for 20 on the casings. Really frustrating as I saw the soil behind the casing disturbed by the pellet just millimeters to the left or right.

So yeah, it's coming along. I'll try weighing the pellets next and see if the groups tighten up.


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PostPosted: Mon Oct 14, 2019 10:10 pm 
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 19, 2019 6:12 pm 
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At the range right now... I am getting it. I'm finally getting the rifle. So totally did away with the artillery hold per members in this and other forums advice, just tried to find what hold works for the rifle. Loving the results. The biggest issue was I wasn't reading and compensating for the wind. There's no flag here to use as reference. Anyway, all at 30 yards:

- a .8" twenty shot group that should've been...
- a .5" twenty shot group if I'd just compensated correctly for that one on the right.
- tried shooting staples off and made another .55" ten shout group. The one on the left was a sighter.


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PostPosted: Sat Oct 19, 2019 6:20 pm 
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- .5" five shot group (was aiming at staples... again left one is a sighter)
- 6" group offhand, ugggghhh...
- was going to shoot some rimfire casings but wind knocked them down. They won't stay up.


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PostPosted: Sat Oct 19, 2019 6:28 pm 
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So, this'll probably be my last entry for this thread. Bottom line... Paul does GREAT work! Would've loved to take this out to 55 yards but my inability to read/adjust for windage just won't do this rifle justice.

One thing's for sure though, seeing the wind performance of 177, it looks like a 22 will be in my near future. But it'll have to be magnum level to keep it flat.

Thanks for your time!


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