my new/old 1377 - velocity results!!
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holy crap! i got it to take 50 pumps... not a whole lot more power, but definitely more! my arm is tired cut the valve stem, cut some threads off the male valve end, bored it out a little as well, intalled a lighter spring... put an angle in the exhaust port... now all i need to do is fix up the transfer port... i suspect some leaking, since i screwed up the rubber seal in there... i wonder how some o-rings would work...
anyhow... thats all for today. the rest can wait
anyhow... thats all for today. the rest can wait
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well, i shot thru the chrony today, and heres what i got, using rws hollow points... 10 pumps, 480 fps. 20 pumps, 530 fps. and with 50 pumps i got a whopping 580 fps... i have a bad transfer port leak though... once i fix that it should smarten up a bit.
theres one other thing i forgot to mention! well, the gun i have is the old model gun, with the round plastic breech, and goofy bolt setup... the new crosman barrels dont actually work, so what did i do? i got my trusty dremel tool out had to enlarge the barrel entrance a bit to fit the o-ring in, then i cut the old bolt probe off and soldered in a much smaller brass dowel. also shaved the locking lug a little bit too. if anyone would like more info on how to do it, let me know!
theres one other thing i forgot to mention! well, the gun i have is the old model gun, with the round plastic breech, and goofy bolt setup... the new crosman barrels dont actually work, so what did i do? i got my trusty dremel tool out had to enlarge the barrel entrance a bit to fit the o-ring in, then i cut the old bolt probe off and soldered in a much smaller brass dowel. also shaved the locking lug a little bit too. if anyone would like more info on how to do it, let me know!
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harr!!!! i got er done!! ive done every mod there is to do... i think ... except for a stronger hammer spring... but it doesnt seem to need one.
for the valve... i cut threads off, drilled out the inside, cut the exhaust on an angle & enlarged it, bored out check valve, shaped the plastic on the valve stem... ummm... polished stuff great fun!
for the transfer port, i found an automotive vacuum cap... its white in color and is 1/4" OD. then i drilled out the hole in the barrel to 1/4" but not all the way through. the last part was enlarged with my dremel, so im not sure the size... but its the same as the ID of the vacuum cap. perfect seal!
i think thats it... dont know the velocity, but for a comparison....
before, when i had a leaky stock transfer port, no bored out check valve, and crappy exhaust port, i would shoot an rws hollow point an inch away from a solid piece of alum. it would mushroom out nicely, but nothing spectacular. now, with all the mods finished, i did the same thing and all i found was little flakes of lead, and one tiny solid piece. needless to say, i think i have enough power now...................... unless theres something else i can do! i was thinking of a longer pump stroke... not sure how id do that though. anybody got some ideas on that one? really all i'd need is a longer tube. the rest is leverage 101...
for the valve... i cut threads off, drilled out the inside, cut the exhaust on an angle & enlarged it, bored out check valve, shaped the plastic on the valve stem... ummm... polished stuff great fun!
for the transfer port, i found an automotive vacuum cap... its white in color and is 1/4" OD. then i drilled out the hole in the barrel to 1/4" but not all the way through. the last part was enlarged with my dremel, so im not sure the size... but its the same as the ID of the vacuum cap. perfect seal!
i think thats it... dont know the velocity, but for a comparison....
before, when i had a leaky stock transfer port, no bored out check valve, and crappy exhaust port, i would shoot an rws hollow point an inch away from a solid piece of alum. it would mushroom out nicely, but nothing spectacular. now, with all the mods finished, i did the same thing and all i found was little flakes of lead, and one tiny solid piece. needless to say, i think i have enough power now...................... unless theres something else i can do! i was thinking of a longer pump stroke... not sure how id do that though. anybody got some ideas on that one? really all i'd need is a longer tube. the rest is leverage 101...
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hey guys, got my chrony to work for me... i guess on a cloudy day, cant use the hoods, and also cant have a roof over my head
anyhow, on to the results. using 7.4 grain rws hollow points.
10 pumps- 612 fps
20 pumps- 711 fps
30 pumps- 756 fps
40 pumps- 781 fps
50 pumps- 795 fps
and of course i had to try 60 pumps, and only got 796 fps
plenty good enuff for me! i guess i COULD do with some more
i didnt grind down the female threads yet, and it could all stand a bit more polishing... but we'll see when the time comes. right now im working on a stock... definitely needs one!
anyhow, on to the results. using 7.4 grain rws hollow points.
10 pumps- 612 fps
20 pumps- 711 fps
30 pumps- 756 fps
40 pumps- 781 fps
50 pumps- 795 fps
and of course i had to try 60 pumps, and only got 796 fps
plenty good enuff for me! i guess i COULD do with some more
i didnt grind down the female threads yet, and it could all stand a bit more polishing... but we'll see when the time comes. right now im working on a stock... definitely needs one!
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wow .... good job, congrats ....killercrow wrote: anyhow, on to the results. using 7.4 grain rws hollow points.
10 pumps- 612 fps
20 pumps- 711 fps
30 pumps- 756 fps
40 pumps- 781 fps
50 pumps- 795 fps
and of course i had to try 60 pumps, and only got 796 fps
10 pumps sounds excellent, 50 pumps sounds tiring.
at 60 pumps perhaps you could get alot higher fps by installing a heavier hammer spring.
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well, at 60 pumps, there is no air left in the valve. would it help if the valve were to open faster? hence the stronger spring...
i could do with a lighter valve spring too... the one im using isnt too much lighter than stock... but its all i could find.
a little off the topic, i just finished modding a 2240 for a buddy of mine. with the backpacker barrel, it gets 600 fps with crosman wadcutters. this gun got the whole shebang too including an adjustable hammer spring! not so sure it helps much though... i think it needs a longer barrel.
i could do with a lighter valve spring too... the one im using isnt too much lighter than stock... but its all i could find.
a little off the topic, i just finished modding a 2240 for a buddy of mine. with the backpacker barrel, it gets 600 fps with crosman wadcutters. this gun got the whole shebang too including an adjustable hammer spring! not so sure it helps much though... i think it needs a longer barrel.
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[quote="KVK"]My result with my Crosman 1377 + Copperhead domed pellets 7.9 gr.
5 pumps - 548 fps
10 pumps - 617 fps
15 pumps - 637 fps
20 pumps - 689 fps
25 pumps - 706 fps
Man those are some great numbers. You have posted the best results for a pumper I have seen to date.
Got to tell us more of what you did to that gun okay?
Take care and good job for sure.
Welcome to the forum as well!!!!!!!!
Walter...
5 pumps - 548 fps
10 pumps - 617 fps
15 pumps - 637 fps
20 pumps - 689 fps
25 pumps - 706 fps
Man those are some great numbers. You have posted the best results for a pumper I have seen to date.
Got to tell us more of what you did to that gun okay?
Take care and good job for sure.
Welcome to the forum as well!!!!!!!!
Walter...
Walter
This is usual resultsVoltar1 wrote:Man those are some great numbers. You have posted the best results for a pumper I have seen to date.
Got to tell us more of what you did to that gun okay?
Take care and good job for sure.
Welcome to the forum as well!!!!!!!!
Walter...
I did make the new brass piston, and cut off a cone on the valve.
Also I did make new seal between the barrel and the case of pump.
For best results is necessary to weaken a spring of the valve.
It still not everything, I shall continue later.
KVK, good job. Did you increase valve volume or do you see a need to do that? I have a 2289 I would like more stuff out of and may need to do up a piston as you have.
BTW how much are you able to shorten the valve by? Do you cut it flat where the old oring seat is and then cut a new seal behind that?
Thank you for posting this is great.
Walter....
BTW how much are you able to shorten the valve by? Do you cut it flat where the old oring seat is and then cut a new seal behind that?
Thank you for posting this is great.
Walter....
Walter