Questioning whether pellets are superior to balls.

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LarryS
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Ballistics Lead Balls.........

#31 Post by LarryS »

Received a sample lead ball from Ballistics today. The results are not encouraging but you may disagree.....

Under careful examination....with eyeloupes, graduated comparator, and eyeball these differences were detected against the Argentina Lobo's.

1. Post production dents in the Ballistic type F ball may be from handling or more likely....from being packed in a container with MANY balls and under very heavy weight from balls above it. Any sudden jar or reasonable shock will dent the soft lead surfaces of these balls.

2. On surface sheen.....None.(no difference)

3. On reflected light.....None.

3. On Color.................None.

4. On roundness..........None. (both roll the same the same way.)
i.e., Not perfectly straight and with a little wobble.

5. On surface finish.....NONE. (both have _same_size_ small mfg. dimples)

6. On ability to distinguish it from 6 other Lobo balls.....None. I had to mark it previously with a pin point of white enamel to find it again.

7. On the chance it is made other than in Argentina.......NONE. <opinion>LarryS

I like the Lobo's so far....until better arrives. Nailed my first fruit robbing crow today in my small orchard at 60-70 feet with a Cr140 at 8 pumps which is 598 FPS. A clean head shot with no wing flap.
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#32 Post by papaburger »

Larry:

Are those spherics you are gathering actually shotgun shots for reloading ?

If so , do you want to try bismuth too ? here is the link

http://www.bismuth-notox.com/products.html

I am also interested in tungsten polymer matrix from Kent cartridge

http://www.kentgamebore.com/products/tu ... ix_wat.asp

but they don't have anything for reloading.
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#33 Post by LarryS »

Only Ballistics is shotgun shell material.

Walter recommended them and he is a ball shooter in ball ranges. I am impressed with these balls absent the obvious handling/packaging dents.
He appears to be of experience in these matters and got me started on this whole thing......

I can ask those URLS yuou supplied... but the sizes they list do not seem to have half-sizes which would be needed for 5.5mm balls. I have no idea what 2,3, etc. mean.

In general, if someone KNOWS a ball that shoots well it is worth checking on. But contacting all the shell shot suppliers would be a pain and not likely to yield quality or repeatability suitable for air guns. -LarryS
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#34 Post by papaburger »

It seems size F shot is 0.22". Size F shots are illegal for hunting in some states.

http://www.geocities.com/Yosemite/Campg ... count.html

Also more on tungsten stuff :-

http://www.tungsten-heavy-powder.com/index.html

I think I am obsessed with non-tox shots. [-o<
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#35 Post by Avanar »

Larry S

Iam interested in the lead balls for shooting in my 22 cal rifles which are the "f" size and the " b" size which is the 177 cal. You mentioned that you were able to get lead balls from Ballistic, who was you contact. I guess the next question is are you in Canada or the US. The contact I got from Ballistics I have not been able to reach yet. I am interested because they would be cheaper to plink over the winter than regular pellets. Also shooting round balls in my muzzle loader and my 909s they do work for hunting also.


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#36 Post by LarryS »

Hi Avanar.

This will give you e-mail contact & website of Ballistics. You get A LOT! of Type F lead shot in 22 calib for $17 plus shipping. Also, I'm in California.

The e-mail to me:
Hi Larry,
I wanted to get back with you to let you know that I sent you a #F pellet in the mail today.
To answer your question, either form of payment will be fine.
If you have any further questions, please feel free to contact me.

Sincerely,
Shannon Swahn
Ballistic Products, Inc
888-273-5623
763-494-9237
shannon@ballisticproducts.com
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#37 Post by LarryS »

E-mail from Jocelyn indicates he must order the .22 balls in graphite & copper covered. He might have to order it twice because of timing. The previous contact at Cibles apparently thought they had them on hand. (Probably .177).

Anyway, we may have to wait a bit longer before we can conduct testing by multiple shooters to weigh the merits of ball against pellet at short range and long range shooting. Copy of e-mail follows.....


Hi Larry,
No rush for the payment, I have to order the round ball at H&N, I will try to add it with my current order. If H&N could not I will let you know, when I get my next order.
Keep in touch,
Jocelyn
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#38 Post by Avanar »

Hey Larry

The problem we have up here in Canada is the shipping of certain materials. Ballistic won't ship to Canada because it is a component of a firearm amunition. So I guess I will still have to try to reach the contact they gave me for a person who lives near Calgary Alberta. Thanks for the info on this thread.

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#39 Post by LarryS »

I hope mailing 10 balls (Ballistic equivelants) made by Lobo will not be a problem.... Won't know until I try.....

But, I would like to start the testing even tho' the graphites and copper plated 22 balls are not yet in my possession for mailing. We could start gathering Lobo(Ballistics type) ball performance comparisons of velocity change & group accuracy change over a short distance.... like 10 meters and again at 30 meters or further against your preferred pellets.

It would require Chrono shooting at both distances long & short, using the chrono to log in a muzzle velocity reference for both the pellet & the ball.

By finding the velocity drop at 10 meters and again at say 30 meters of the pellet and the ball we can begin determining if the round ball shape retains velocity better than the skirted pellet. Of course the longer the distance the better the data....

DO WE HAVE 10 shooters with Chrono's that would be willing to get this information and publish it here while we wait for the Graphites & Coppers?. I will mail by common envelope 10 Lobo balls to each shooter if they will e-mail me their mailing address. Of course the balls are "fishing weights" (I will label the envelopes at the bottom corner).

What do you think guys?..... worth a shot?(pun) -LarryS
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#40 Post by MC 84 »

larry, what is your e-mail? i would like to participate.
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#41 Post by Voltar1 »

Avanar wrote:Hey Larry

The problem we have up here in Canada is the shipping of certain materials. Ballistic won't ship to Canada because it is a component of a firearm amunition. So I guess I will still have to try to reach the contact they gave me for a person who lives near Calgary Alberta. Thanks for the info on this thread.

Avanar
We have a Ballistic Produncts Inc. Dealer in Alberta so no trouble getting stuff :)
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#42 Post by Avanar »

Hey Voltar

I refined my google search and found the purple potato page along with and email requesting info to Will. You should also have mail.

Avanar
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#43 Post by LarryS »

M84 an e-mail has been sent to you. Tnx. LarryS
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Round Ball Advantages

#44 Post by RossB »

Round Balls have three advantages compared with waisted pellets.
Tossed into a pocket for plinking or non-critical hunting/pest control:
-there is limited pickup of pocket lint/dirt
-they are difficult to deform even with rough handling
-they can be loaded without looking due to no need for orientation=no loss of eye contact with quarry
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#45 Post by gamerule9 »

the thing is BBs have way less accuracy then pellets... they drop and follow gusts of wind, making it harder to hit your target.. While pellets go in a fairly straight line of flight.

BBs may go faster but they do not penatrate as well as any kind of pellet i will get a bar of soap and show you the difference.

yes i think that they are easier to load, but when i go hunting i keep my gun loaded waiting to shoot something, and i don't even fire unless i know that it will kill it. if you are worried about pocket lint put the pellets in a sandwich bag and then put the bag inside your pocket.

i inspect all of my used rounds pellets or BBs before i use them again

just my views on pellets vs bbs
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