Hey all:
Do any of you use the Daisy 717 for targer shooting? I know that it isn't on the same level as some of the more expensive guns. I just want to know if it is acceptable for shooting targets a 7 to 10 meters. I also would apreciate any input letting me know what the acuracy is like. I am not woried about muzzel velocity or mods( it usually doesn't need much to punch a hole in paper) just acuracy. Thanks in advance.
Roy
Daisy 717
The Daisy 717 is an amazingly accurate pistol for the price. I find it slightly more accurate than the HW40/P3; due to a larger sight radius and more weight for better stability. It is also very easy to cock/pump.
The only drawback is the trigger. Out of the box, the trigger is too stiff and rough for a target pistol. However, with a trigger mod it become fairly decent. Fit and finish is as expected for the price. Everything smooth out with use. Overall a fine inexpensive entry level target pistol.
The only drawback is the trigger. Out of the box, the trigger is too stiff and rough for a target pistol. However, with a trigger mod it become fairly decent. Fit and finish is as expected for the price. Everything smooth out with use. Overall a fine inexpensive entry level target pistol.
I currently have a HW40 and it worked fine for informal 10m target shooting. I was able to get into the 88-90% zone after a year (40 shot scores). You can check my old scores on the Highnoon Postal matches from the scores in 2000 (Oct-Nov-Dec). http://omega.pol.lublin.pl/highnoon/highnoon.htm
I once had a 717 but found it too heavy for my liking. I do better with the 717, although some shooters may prefer this pistol.
Todd
I once had a 717 but found it too heavy for my liking. I do better with the 717, although some shooters may prefer this pistol.
Todd
HW40 vs 717
The HW40 is what Beeman calls the P-3. I have owned a HW40/P3 since March 1999 and I owned a Daisy 717 back in 1994. I still have an old 717 (2nd one) but it has a very slow leak.
Here are a few points of comparison between these pistols.
LENGTH - P-3 = 9.25", 717 = 2lb 13.4oz
WEIGHT - P-3 = 1lb 11.0oz, 717 = 2lb 13.4oz
CONSTRUCTION - The P-3 has a synthetic outer frame and metal internal parts. The trigger, safety switch, and hammer/latch are all metal alloy. The barrel, compression tube, piston and trigger parts are all metal. The front sight is synthetic and the rear sight is metal.
The 717/747 has a zinc alloy frame with synthetic grip panels. The trigger and safety are synthetic. The barrel and compression tube are metal. The cocking lever, piston and front sight are zinc alloy. The rear sight is synthetic.
SCOPE MOUNTING - The P-3 has an integrated scope mount that works fine for scopes and red dot sights. The 7X7 requires either a B-Square 17900 mount or a Jay Axelrod mount.
TRIGGER PULL - My P-3 trigger tested at 17oz. My 717 trigger tested at 3.4 pounds.
VELOCITY - My P-3 shoots 7.9gr CPL pellets at 382fps and 7.3gr JSB at 404fps. My first 717 shot 7.9gr CPLs at 369fps. After re-sealing a friend's 717 I tested it at 398fps with 7.3gr JSB pellets.
I just checked velocity again with both pistols using 7.9gr Crosman Premiers. I shot the 717 very quicky before it lost any pressure.
My P-3 shot: 380, 382, 380, 380, 381 --- AVE = 381fps
My 717 shot: 375, 377, 376, 379, 377 --- AVE = 377fps
ACCURACY - My P-3 will average .25"ctc for 5 shots at 10 meters. The rated accuracy on the P-3/HW40 is .20" for 3 shots. I have not tested the 717 for accuracy.
Both pistols function fine but they look and feel very different.
My HW40 review can be seen at http://my.tbaytel.net/coopers
I have not done a review on the Daisy 717, yet.
Todd
Here are a few points of comparison between these pistols.
LENGTH - P-3 = 9.25", 717 = 2lb 13.4oz
WEIGHT - P-3 = 1lb 11.0oz, 717 = 2lb 13.4oz
CONSTRUCTION - The P-3 has a synthetic outer frame and metal internal parts. The trigger, safety switch, and hammer/latch are all metal alloy. The barrel, compression tube, piston and trigger parts are all metal. The front sight is synthetic and the rear sight is metal.
The 717/747 has a zinc alloy frame with synthetic grip panels. The trigger and safety are synthetic. The barrel and compression tube are metal. The cocking lever, piston and front sight are zinc alloy. The rear sight is synthetic.
SCOPE MOUNTING - The P-3 has an integrated scope mount that works fine for scopes and red dot sights. The 7X7 requires either a B-Square 17900 mount or a Jay Axelrod mount.
TRIGGER PULL - My P-3 trigger tested at 17oz. My 717 trigger tested at 3.4 pounds.
VELOCITY - My P-3 shoots 7.9gr CPL pellets at 382fps and 7.3gr JSB at 404fps. My first 717 shot 7.9gr CPLs at 369fps. After re-sealing a friend's 717 I tested it at 398fps with 7.3gr JSB pellets.
I just checked velocity again with both pistols using 7.9gr Crosman Premiers. I shot the 717 very quicky before it lost any pressure.
My P-3 shot: 380, 382, 380, 380, 381 --- AVE = 381fps
My 717 shot: 375, 377, 376, 379, 377 --- AVE = 377fps
ACCURACY - My P-3 will average .25"ctc for 5 shots at 10 meters. The rated accuracy on the P-3/HW40 is .20" for 3 shots. I have not tested the 717 for accuracy.
Both pistols function fine but they look and feel very different.
My HW40 review can be seen at http://my.tbaytel.net/coopers
I have not done a review on the Daisy 717, yet.
Todd
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Thanks for the info guys. I think I will give the 717 a try. Thanks for the info on the trigger. The one question that remains is what kind of trigger mod are you talking about? If the trigger assembly is synthetic do you wait for it to wear in, do you replace it with a new assembly made of metal,or is there another alternative?
Roy
Roy
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Here is the Don Nygord 717 mod:
How To Make A Super Shooter
How To Accurize Your Daisy 717 For Practically Nothing
And Outshoot The High Priced Competition.
BY DON NYGORD
The new Daisy Model 717 air pistol is a modern miracle. Here is an
American-made compressed air pistol which shoots the .177 pellet required for International competition and is capable of shooting possibles on the 10 m target. To my knowledge, this is a first. Hammerli, Walther, and Feinwerkbau air
pistols have been prominent on the line for decades, and lately those names carry price tags from $300 to $500. So, a domestic product is indeed good news, but the best news of all is the cost â€â€
How To Make A Super Shooter
How To Accurize Your Daisy 717 For Practically Nothing
And Outshoot The High Priced Competition.
BY DON NYGORD
The new Daisy Model 717 air pistol is a modern miracle. Here is an
American-made compressed air pistol which shoots the .177 pellet required for International competition and is capable of shooting possibles on the 10 m target. To my knowledge, this is a first. Hammerli, Walther, and Feinwerkbau air
pistols have been prominent on the line for decades, and lately those names carry price tags from $300 to $500. So, a domestic product is indeed good news, but the best news of all is the cost â€â€
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