So powerful
http://www.bryanandac.com/new_page_10.htm
20 mm 1005 grain 715 fps
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I believe the whole air tube gets discharged in one shot, consider the caliber.Aaron_2289g_guy wrote:does it discgarge all of the air at once and you have to use a scuba tank to fill it im guessing?
Some guy was posting test results from a .457 DAQ on the yellow forum and he only gets 2 shots per fill.
I guess you have to be damn sure that you don't miss, or carry a scuba tank on your back.
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Should be contraband.
Stuff like this is too powerful and readily obtained without a license. It should be stiffly controlled to the point of illegal to possess whether in Canada,(God save the Queen), or in the U.S.,(God save Me).
The criminal element(past & present), would be able to by-pass existing gun law controls, and handgun restrictions including concealed weapons, and use devices like this in felony offenses. Modified to handgun size, that offense should carry another felony conviction.
I am definetly against the free marketing of this gun or any other gun similar which is designed to kill large game(man-size), without requiring a permit to possess. It is moving from a simple sporting arm to a public threat. -L.Stange
PostScript -If REGISTRATION is required before time of sale..... That may offer some solution to the way this trend is going.....
The criminal element(past & present), would be able to by-pass existing gun law controls, and handgun restrictions including concealed weapons, and use devices like this in felony offenses. Modified to handgun size, that offense should carry another felony conviction.
I am definetly against the free marketing of this gun or any other gun similar which is designed to kill large game(man-size), without requiring a permit to possess. It is moving from a simple sporting arm to a public threat. -L.Stange
PostScript -If REGISTRATION is required before time of sale..... That may offer some solution to the way this trend is going.....
Larry, do you know that the criminal element often use knives in crimes?
And they're openly sold at the corner supermarket, no registration required.
Besides, if I were a criminal and I wanted to kill somebody, I don't think I'd give a flying fart about legally obtaining a weapon to begin with. Given the option of constructing a complicated single-shot airgun (you do realize that the airgun pictured is a custom one-off, right?) or buying an illegal firearm on the black market, what do you think they'll do?
A criminal, by definition, intends to commit crimes and therefore does not hold any regard for laws. Legislation does not stop them, it only metes out punishment after the fact if they are caught.
However, your arguments do hold a glimmer of common sense, in that the government should switch from the current ridiculous 500 fps law to a law based on the amount of energy generated by an airgun.
And they're openly sold at the corner supermarket, no registration required.
Besides, if I were a criminal and I wanted to kill somebody, I don't think I'd give a flying fart about legally obtaining a weapon to begin with. Given the option of constructing a complicated single-shot airgun (you do realize that the airgun pictured is a custom one-off, right?) or buying an illegal firearm on the black market, what do you think they'll do?
A criminal, by definition, intends to commit crimes and therefore does not hold any regard for laws. Legislation does not stop them, it only metes out punishment after the fact if they are caught.
However, your arguments do hold a glimmer of common sense, in that the government should switch from the current ridiculous 500 fps law to a law based on the amount of energy generated by an airgun.
Hey guys because the gun is a custom made the odds of bringing it into Canada are going to be slim. When I had D&L bring in my 909s we(he) had to go through alot of paper work to register the gun because it was the first one in Canada. Then we had to go through the paper work of getting it registered to me. So do not hold your breath too long waiting.
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who here would buy one of these anyway ?. i think the idea of a 1 shot air gun is stupid , regardless of size .
larry ..... a gun is a gun . a sling shot could kill better then most pellet guns and can be hiden very easy, but no laws for them . as mentioned Knifes . it's not the gun that kills and it's not criminals that regester guns .
larry ..... a gun is a gun . a sling shot could kill better then most pellet guns and can be hiden very easy, but no laws for them . as mentioned Knifes . it's not the gun that kills and it's not criminals that regester guns .
Let me answer this with a little common sense.
Guns like these whether shortened, made into pistols, etc., to my knowledge at the present*....are not covered under current Penal Codes for Concealed Weapons violations.
Current Codes define & cover shortened shotguns. Concealed Weapons Codes cover firearms of all types. The airgun, I believe is not defined.
This puts everyone at greater risk.
Your Peace Officers, Deputies, Royal Canadians, etc., plus your families can become more susceptible to drive-by's, gang related, drug related, criminal acts. You yourselves are a target too for anyone with mental impairment. You and others can be killed close up or from a distance without warning of any kind.
Without stiff control...these guns can be purchased by anyone including prior felons and minors.
These airguns have no real useful purpose, or any purpose that presents an advantage over the powder weapon, and without controls they are every bit as dangerous as a gun in the hands of a screw-ball or a public menace.
(*ex-law enforcement)
Guns like these whether shortened, made into pistols, etc., to my knowledge at the present*....are not covered under current Penal Codes for Concealed Weapons violations.
Current Codes define & cover shortened shotguns. Concealed Weapons Codes cover firearms of all types. The airgun, I believe is not defined.
This puts everyone at greater risk.
Your Peace Officers, Deputies, Royal Canadians, etc., plus your families can become more susceptible to drive-by's, gang related, drug related, criminal acts. You yourselves are a target too for anyone with mental impairment. You and others can be killed close up or from a distance without warning of any kind.
Without stiff control...these guns can be purchased by anyone including prior felons and minors.
These airguns have no real useful purpose, or any purpose that presents an advantage over the powder weapon, and without controls they are every bit as dangerous as a gun in the hands of a screw-ball or a public menace.
(*ex-law enforcement)
Larry, I can't quite follow your logic.
You're saying that a big-bore airgun is a threat because it's easily obtainable without registration and it is not covered under concealed carry legislation because it's not classified as a firearm, right (correct me if I'm wrong)?
A) Comparing the ease of obtaining a big-bore airgun (for one thing, you have to build it yourself) and the associated equipment to make one work (which is only good for one shot anyway) versus the ease of obtaining a sawn-off semi-auto shotgun on the black market, what do you think a criminal is going to do?
B) If a criminal cants to conceal a weapon, they're going to do it regardless of whether they have a concealed carry license. Remember, they want to use the weapon to commit a CRIME.
You're saying that a big-bore airgun is a threat because it's easily obtainable without registration and it is not covered under concealed carry legislation because it's not classified as a firearm, right (correct me if I'm wrong)?
A) Comparing the ease of obtaining a big-bore airgun (for one thing, you have to build it yourself) and the associated equipment to make one work (which is only good for one shot anyway) versus the ease of obtaining a sawn-off semi-auto shotgun on the black market, what do you think a criminal is going to do?
B) If a criminal cants to conceal a weapon, they're going to do it regardless of whether they have a concealed carry license. Remember, they want to use the weapon to commit a CRIME.
The point is....
Current gun laws have made it more difficult for everyone(the bad & unfortunately, the good) to obtain a gun.
The intent of those laws are to cause a background screening of the individual attempting to purchase, and to make it more difficult and illegal for unlicensed persons to sell guns privately to any person.
These laws are in place to protect _YOU_ the citizen from harm.
The criminal element has no recourse now but to try and find an underground(so called-black market) entity from whom he can purchase. This places the seller at risk also if the weapon is used in the commission of a crime. It also causes an inordinate price to obtain a weapon... thus helping to slow the trafficking in illegal arms further.
Permitting the unrestricted sale of lethal airguns outside the framework of gun law intent, serves to undermine the purpose of those laws to protect the public as a whole and prevent easy access to those arms from those who have demonstrated previous criminal activity.
The issue of concealed is a further loop hole in airguns which needs closing.
Presently the only thing between you and those who would take from you all you possess..... is your local law enforcement. They can act only within the laws that you enpower them to enforce. Weakening those laws in any form can only be to your long term disadvantage.
Your personal collections of arms _will_not_be_enough_ to prevent persons or groups intent on doing you or yours harm. The gun laws help by making it much more difficult for armed persons to move freely among you.
Canada is moving ahead well on these issues.... The U.S. lags behind but is catching up.... but I won't be around to see it.... Pellets are hitting my roof now.....
Current gun laws have made it more difficult for everyone(the bad & unfortunately, the good) to obtain a gun.
The intent of those laws are to cause a background screening of the individual attempting to purchase, and to make it more difficult and illegal for unlicensed persons to sell guns privately to any person.
These laws are in place to protect _YOU_ the citizen from harm.
The criminal element has no recourse now but to try and find an underground(so called-black market) entity from whom he can purchase. This places the seller at risk also if the weapon is used in the commission of a crime. It also causes an inordinate price to obtain a weapon... thus helping to slow the trafficking in illegal arms further.
Permitting the unrestricted sale of lethal airguns outside the framework of gun law intent, serves to undermine the purpose of those laws to protect the public as a whole and prevent easy access to those arms from those who have demonstrated previous criminal activity.
The issue of concealed is a further loop hole in airguns which needs closing.
Presently the only thing between you and those who would take from you all you possess..... is your local law enforcement. They can act only within the laws that you enpower them to enforce. Weakening those laws in any form can only be to your long term disadvantage.
Your personal collections of arms _will_not_be_enough_ to prevent persons or groups intent on doing you or yours harm. The gun laws help by making it much more difficult for armed persons to move freely among you.
Canada is moving ahead well on these issues.... The U.S. lags behind but is catching up.... but I won't be around to see it.... Pellets are hitting my roof now.....