wanna build yer own 1377 pump piston?

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killercrow
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wanna build yer own 1377 pump piston?

#1 Post by killercrow »

well, here you go. i revamped mine. i found that using rounded grooves for the o-ring doesnt quite do the job, once you get to high pressures the oring will slip out of its groove... generally just being a pain in the buttock. the grooves need to be square. also, what i found along the way, make sure you bore out one solid piece of metal on a lathe. cut it in half. 2 pieces at one inch is a nice size to work with. i used 1/4" aluminum rod, and threaded it to 1/4" fine thread (28 tpi). and very important!!! make sure you cut the o-ring groove as close as humanly possible to the face of the piston. this way you get maximum air transfer to the valve. now, if you bore a hole all the way thru, make a short plug to screw into the face, seal it with jb weld. once all is done, polish the crap out of the sealing surfaces. and for the back end of the piston where it connects to the linkage... just copy your original piston. once ready to install, threadlock one half of the piston, adjust to where you think it should be and try it out. you want the face to press against the valve slightly, enough to lock the pump arm. once you have your length, measure the distance between the two halves, threadlock it and throw it back together. you got a metal piston.

i also suggest installing an oring close to the pump linkage, for alignment purposes. otherwise your piston will scrape on the inside of the tube, creating brass powder... i just use a couple wraps of electical tape. also, you'll probably want to cut a groove just behind the oring to put some yarn, or foam or felt.... something to keep your gun oiled.

well, heres a pic, with all the good measurements that i used :D
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any questions, feel free to ask... oh yeah, of course... you'll have to cut the cone off the front of the valve. remember, as close to the oring as possible without losing the lip. mine is so close it can cut paper... but i dont suggest going THAT close.
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#2 Post by RM422 »

Cool. Thats should be of some help to many forum members. I already have a metal 2200 piston that I put in my 1377c. The last time I read one of your posts you were getting 840fps at max pumps with your 1377. Mine must be doing around there also. It now gets a little more than half way through a 2x4 from 20 feet.
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#3 Post by killercrow »

ive been doing lots of different changes to my gun... dont know what its at now... :roll: maybe i'll chrony it again :twisted:
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#4 Post by Tailgunner »

I can see how this will work well on the power stroke but have a question here.............what force is required on the return stroke as the 'o'ring system will not allow flowby and will create a vacuum ......... or is the force too small to be of any concern???
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#5 Post by killercrow »

theres no more back stroke pressure than with the normal piston. no problems there.
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#6 Post by Tailgunner »

Right on - thanks Killercrow - well, (sigh) one more job for the lathe when the shop warms up :D
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#7 Post by killercrow »

what!!! you gotta warm your shop up??? :lol: j/k. man, if ihad a shop id be livin in it!

hey no problem. one other thing you might wanna consider. make the back half a bit smaller in diameter than the front half. then find some teflon orings the same size as the front oring. makes a nice bushing to ride on. just make sure you dont scrape up the inside of your tube. i did that... dont think i lost any compression though... i hope.

know what i did just recently, i took my old valve, cut the face off of it, enlarged the o-ring groove, cut a wiper groove behind it where the screw hole is, rounded off the back half of it, drilled and tapped it, and voila! piston head! and its already the perfect size :lol:
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