Motomaster Moly Grease

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Talontsi96 · #1 Post by **Talontsi96** » Mon Jan 09, 2006 9:49 pm

I read a whole bunch on allforums about the benefits of Moly lube/grease. I read about people ordering a Honda specific Moly paste. I found a Moly grease today at Canadian Tire. Only $4 and its apparently rated for High temperature and Hi Pressure conditions. Sounded like the stuff I'd want. Anyone try it? Any thoughts?

Paul

pellet head · #2 Post by **pellet head** » Mon Jan 09, 2006 10:11 pm

I have a tube of that, but have been told that the moly content is fairly low compared to the more expensive stuff.I have since bought a small jar from James Maccari and used it in one rifle. I cannot confirm that one works better than the other because they were used on different rifles, but the Maccari stuff is higher quality so it should be better.

Talontsi96 · #3 Post by **Talontsi96** » Tue Jan 10, 2006 1:42 am

anyone else use this moly? Any idea what the moly content is? Is the expensive stuff really better?

Paul

TCooper · #4 Post by **TCooper** » Tue Jan 10, 2006 10:28 pm

The cheap moly grease at Canadian Tire is about 3% moly content. Honda Moly-60 is 60%. Macarri moly is 65-70%. Beeman M2M moly paste is 60%. Loctite moly is around 60%.

Todd

Talontsi96 · #5 Post by **Talontsi96** » Wed Jan 11, 2006 12:45 am

Thanks for that info...I guess I'll look for some better stuff....

RM422 · #6 Post by **RM422** » Wed Jan 11, 2006 6:13 pm

There is no need to buy better stuff. Moly grease is a type of graphite grease so here's how you make your own high concentrated mix of moly. Keep the stuff you bought from CT. And go out and get a sqeeze tube of graphite powder. Mix some graphite powder and moly grease in a seperate container. Make sure you mix it well using about 3-4 good squeezes of graphite powder depending on how much grease you are mixing it with. Once you have those 2 mixed then mix some air tool oil or airgun oil in with your mixture. This makes the grease more plyable. Then after that you have an inexpensive high quality mix of moly.

Talontsi96 · #7 Post by **Talontsi96** » Wed Jan 11, 2006 6:24 pm

Anyone mix Slick50 in the mix? Also where do I get the powder from?

RM422 · #8 Post by **RM422** » Wed Jan 11, 2006 6:25 pm

Powder you can get a CT. Slick50 is kind of iffy. It works in some guns but not in others. You can try it if you are prepared to maybe change the piston seal.

TCooper · #9 Post by **TCooper** » Wed Jan 11, 2006 6:36 pm

Hi RM422

Are you saying that molybdenum disulphite is the same as graphite powder? I always thought they were two different products.

Todd

RM422 · #10 Post by **RM422** » Wed Jan 11, 2006 6:52 pm

Well seeing as moly grease is made from graphite then yes graphite powder and moly grease are roughly the same. Just don't put straight graphite powder into your gun it makes a real mess. I know from experience.

But it works really well mixed in with moly grease.

TCooper · #11 Post by **TCooper** » Wed Jan 11, 2006 10:29 pm

I did a bit of research on "Moly Paste" products. From the Loctite web site it appears as though "moly" and "graphite" are different products.

First, Jim Macarri states the following about his moly paste "Heavy premium 70% moly paste with Graphite friction reducing additive. Better than a basic moly paste." Jim appears to be saying that his product has 70% molybdenum disulfide concentration plus the added bonus of some graphite additive. Jim seems to be saying this is better than plain moly (no graphite). If the concentration of moly is 70% then the graphite is less than 30% because there is also a grease carrier involved.
http://www.airguns.citymax.com/catalog/ ... /42989.htm

Other moly paste products are also used in airgun tuning. Loctite "moly paste" doesn't appear to have graphite added. In fact they sell graphite as a separate product. I'm not sure about the popular Honda Moly-60.

It appears as though a petroleum or silicone grease with powdered graphite added is not "moly paste" at all. It seems that a quality moly paste cannot be "created" from Canadian Tire products.

The graphite can be eliminated from a "moly grease" product and the product is still "moly paste". If the moly is eliminated the product is just a graphite grease.

Please correct me if my research has lead me to the wrong conclusions.

Todd

Loctite Moly Paste (65% concentration of molybdenum disulfide)
http://tds.loctite.com/tds5/docs/MOLYP-EN.pdf

http://sds.loctite.com/wv.asp?A=putPDF% ... 3A39%27%7D

Loctite Moly-50 (50% concentration of molybdenum disulfide)
http://tds.loctite.com/tds5/docs/MOLY50-EN.pdf

http://sds.loctite.com/wv.asp?A=putPDF% ... 3A54%27%7D

Loctite Graphite 50 Anti-Seize
http://tds.loctite.com/tds5/docs/G50AS-EN.pdf

http://sds.loctite.com/wv.asp?A=putPDF% ... 3A49%27%7D