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My Low Budget Toys

#1 Post by bribiguy »

While this may be one of my first posts, I’ve been a member of this forum since its creation. (Ya I know I’m a little slow on posting)

Well this is what started it all, a Crosman 130 pump pistol I had as a kid.


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It eventually stopped working (wouldn’t hold air in the valve) and after taking it apart (as a kid) and not getting it working, I left it in pieces in a box tucked away.

Now many years later, some rabbits messing up the yard reminded me that I had the old girl.
I was able to find all the pieces, except for the hammer spring, and after locating the exploded parts view on the web, I put it back together and determined which parts were needed to seal it back up.
I ordered them from Crosman and guess what, it actually worked. The addiction had begun! As you can see she was made in Dunville Ontario

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I tried my hand at making a set of wooden grips out of some scrap cherry I had sitting around, and I thought they turned out alright for a first time attempt.

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I’ve never had a pellet jam with this style of breech. Also I like the adjustable pump cup.
I made a trigger shoe out of a piece of ABS pipe.

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After reading about the 2240 on the old msn airgunscanada site and this site (thanks sniper) I just couldn’t resist picking one up.

Next thing I know it I’ve added a 2289 barrel, barrel crown, homemade trigger shoe, pinned the valve with a couple set screws, trigger polish, cut a 2240 hammer spring to length to use as a trigger spring along with a piece of plastic clothes hanger O.D. turned down (using a drillpress) to fit the top of the spring, steel breech (remember to use a shorter rear breech screw), modified the breech bolt to become two pieces by drilling/tapping the end in order to use a set screw to hold the bolt handle, added a steel wire to the breech bolt face to extend the bolt, etc. Just need a red dot to complete this baby.

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Well that was fun but the 2240 is a little noisier than the 130 and can’t really use it outdoors in the winter. I thought that maybe a 2289 backpacker would be a little quieter, plus it comes with the removable stock which seemed interesting since I could also use it on the 2240. I just needed something else to work on.
Along comes the 2289, which got similar upgrades as the 2240, plus I replaced the pivot pin with a pin and clip used on the 761XL

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I found that the pump tube inside diameter of the 2289 is the same as the old 130 and thus the 130 pump cup assembly would fit. Just around that time I found that someone else on the web had the same idea and had shaped the remainder of the pump out of aluminum which I decided to try. I then tapped the end of the aluminum pump for the 130 threaded pump cup assy. Also made a hammer spring guide out of a weight pin from an old snowmobile clutch. Later I purchased a 1760 barrel (.177 at 20 inches) and .177 breech bolt that I can now install on either the 2240 or 2289. Seems to make them a little more accurate shooting at 10 yd indoor targets (plus pellets are cheaper). Still I prefer the .22 caliber for hunting. In my humble opinion, if only one mod was to be done to either the 2240 or 2289 I would go with the steel breech

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I started wondering what a springer would be like. Quiet, no pumping, good year round, mmmmmm.

Ok, the Quest 500 sounded like a fun project. As others had found, the scope just didn’t seem to be as accurate as open sites so off it went to the 2289. Later I ended up replacing the plastic washers on the barrel pivot bushing with custom sized steel washers I made up. Complete tear down, degrease, de-burr inside and out, lightly sanded from 220 to 400 grit the compression tube, piston inside and out, spring ends, etc. I soaked trigger assy in moly mixed with 30w non detergent oil, trigger sear polish, shrink tubing on rear spring guide, very light moly lube to everything behind face of piston, replaced the bolts which hold the compression tube to the stock with hex head type bolts, blue locktite the pivot bolt. I also had a couple of aluminum top hats and spring guide locating block made up as well for experimenting. This rifle never had any spring twang from the beginning, but everything from the cocking (buttery smooth) to the shooting is now so much smoother and consistant. Since I was ordering other parts from Crosman, I also ordered a spare seal and main spring . I ordered the 1000 spring just to see for myself if there is any difference between the spring for the 500. What a surprise when a longer spring arrived. The wire size, inside diameter and outside diameter are identical but the 1000 spring has 37 coils at an unsprung length of 11.4" compared to 30.5 coils at an unsprung length of 9.3" for the 500 spring

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Looks like whatever spring happens to be sitting in the parts bin at the time you order gets shipped, not too consistant.
I’ve always had very good results ordering through Crosman and usually receive the goods at the post office within 48 hrs. of ordering the correct Crosman part number and giving them my credit card information

If anyone knows how to kick this addiction, please let me know!! LOL LOL :lol:
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#2 Post by Gotrice23 »

Nice mods. You muist have a lot of money to buy all those guns. :wink: :lol: :lol:
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#3 Post by sniper »

Hi Bribiguy, welcome to the forum.
Nice projects you got going there.
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#4 Post by airgunfun »

Welcome to the forum.
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#5 Post by Parker_101_ »

bribiguy....Welcome to the living, breathing, and expressive side of the forum.....Congrats on the great work to all your goodies... your first attempt at making grips is a very respectful one indeed....nice that it all came with pics......sounds like you're enjoying this hobby/sport of ours too much to be worrying about kicking this addiction....it's all good ...just remember to leave enough money around for things like food and shelter and you should be just fine...... :wink:
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#6 Post by DoctorFrankengun »

birbiguy, you have been holding out on us :| It is my duty to inform you that this kind of behavior will not be tolerated :axe:

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Seriously, that 130 is to die for :drool: Your photos clearly show that Crosman back then made a higher quality of gun. You did a great job on the restoration :supz:
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#7 Post by ABshooter »

Great write-up, I enjoyed it enormously. Nice clear pics too. I like your 2289, looks very police-ish/tactical.
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#8 Post by archer-ca »

Yeah, but what about those evil rabbits in your backyard??? Great job on all your projects but make sure you get them out there and put them to good use!! :twisted:

Mmmmmmm, rabbit stew.....

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#9 Post by bribiguy »

Thanks for the welcome guys.

I might try making some grips for the 2240 yet if i can find the time, the first pair seemed to take forever to complete. :?

Archer-ca, the weird thing is I have only seen one rabbit since I started working on the airguns last fall and it was only about 3 yards from my garage door when I opened it one morning to go to work, arghhhh
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#10 Post by upankatz »

KRAZY MIKEY wrote: And how did you make that Pnuematic pump, for the 2289g and what out of?

Krazy Mikey... :idea:


I think he took the one from his old 1377, they used to make em alot better than the do now...





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#11 Post by bribiguy »

Hi KRAZY MIKEY, the top hats and spring guides are made out of aluminum which a buddy made up for me.

The piston assy. (cup) is from the 130 pistol, and can be ordered from crosman. (For around $14.00, if they have any left) The part# is 760-042. The end of it is a threaded stud. You then have to make up the pump guide by turning down a piece of 5/8 aluminum rod slightly, drilling and tapping the end to accept the threaded stud from the piston assy. Then using the old plastic pump as a guide, make the slot for the pump lever and the hole for the guide pin.

You can take a look at the 130 parts manual at the following link.

http://www.crosman.com/site/pistols_man

The most difficult part, using a drill press (I don't have a lathe) was trying to drill a hole in the end of the aluminum rod exactly center and perpendicular. :?
I would buy at least a foot of the aluminum rod (lots of extra) and drill the hole in the end first (before making the slot etc.) in case you screw up you haven't wasted alot of time. I found that drilling a hole the same size as the aluminum rod 5/8 or slightly smaller into a block of wood, then forcing the aluminum rod into the hole and clamping the wood block to your drillpress table works best.

Good Luck!! :D
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#12 Post by webstien »

whoa, just noticed this thread now. Nice guns!

Do you find your quest 500 shoots well with a scope now? Got any groups?

Which top hat works the best?

What diameter shrink wrap did you use on the guide?

Sorry for all the questions :P
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#13 Post by CZ-Sniper »

So, do you only need to replace the spring, and you'll get a Quest 1000?

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#14 Post by bribiguy »

Hi webstein

I hadn't put the scope back on the Quest since I fixed up the barrel pivot bushings.

I guess I should just to see if it made any difference but I like using open sites on the Quest and the scope that came with the Quest I use on the 2289.

I don't have any groups to show but when I'm relaxed and "in the zone" I can get dime sized shots at 10 yd. open sites standing. (no support), but maybe only 1/3rd of the time, with the Quest.

I did save one paper target when I was making some site adjustments. For two of the targets the poi was all over the place while I was adjusting the site, then I moved to the third target and nailed it right on the crosshairs, the next shot I knew I shot bad (moved) and its' more than an inch from the crosshairs, so I moved to the fourth target and nailed it dead center of the crosshairs as well (standing, no support). I was going to photo it and post it, but I figured it was more of a lucky two shots and no one would likely believe it anyways.

I am still playing with the tophats, but am coming to the conclusion that the most compressed spring doesn't necessarily shoot the smoothest.

I used 1/2" diameter shrink wrap. I had originally tried something larger (3/4" I think) but found it didn't shrink tight enough. As well when shrinking a larger size shrink wrap, the wall thickness when shrunk is greater and became too tight for the spring. Just remember to clean the spring guide really well and add some spray adhesive (Elmers, 3M etc.) to the spring guide immediately before installing the shrink wrap and heating it. (Do it all quickly)


Hi CZ-Sniper

The piston for the Quest 1000 is shorter, than the Quest 500. I believe if you do a search on the forum you will find that you could order the Quest 1000 piston or cut your 500 piston to size.
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