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ABshooter · #1 Post by **ABshooter** » Thu Mar 09, 2006 12:16 pm

Do they refill 9oz paintball tanks at Ctire? How much does it cost?

#2 Post by **sniper** » Thu Mar 09, 2006 12:25 pm

Certain CT does refill co2 but not all, you look it up at canadiantire.ca which one does, if I'm wrong it's 75 cent perOZ, it would cheaper if you go to paintball outlet, usually is $ 5.00 regardless the size of the bottle.

randyhub · #3 Post by **randyhub** » Thu Mar 09, 2006 3:21 pm

CT is very expensive, compared to 9/12 oz is 3 bucks, 4 bucks for 20 oz, and a 3 HPA from a Paintball shops.

Gotrice23 · #4 Post by **Gotrice23** » Thu Mar 09, 2006 5:05 pm

It's $2.50 at my CT for a 9oz bottle. (Or so one of the clerks said...)

calculator · #5 Post by **calculator** » Thu Mar 09, 2006 7:27 pm

$.30 an ounce + tax - ALBERTA TAX

7oz - $2.25 inc GST - 5 cents back
9oz - $2.89 inc. GST - and you get 5 cents CT money
12oz - $3.85 - 5 cents back
16oz - $5.14 - 10 cents back
20 oz - $6.42 - 10 cents back

Those are the most common sizes

In Red Deer, AB we are by far the cheapest place to refill. No one else in Red Deer but CT fill CO2 unless you go to the paint ball range and they make you pay for the balls and the CO2 (so I'm told, I hate the place so I never go.)

ustilago · #6 Post by **ustilago** » Thu Mar 09, 2006 7:35 pm

Your best CO2 price will be at the paintball shop. The one out past Home Depot on the way to the airport. Be sure to torment Jon, the sales drone if you're in there.

It has been my experience that the sales drones at Saskatchewan Tire do not know how to properly fill a CO2 tank (sorry Calculator, the local staff are quite poorly trained here).

ABshooter · #7 Post by **ABshooter** » Thu Mar 09, 2006 10:13 pm

ustilago wrote:Your best CO2 price will be at the paintball shop. The one out past Home Depot on the way to the airport. Be sure to torment Jon, the sales drone if you're in there.

Thanks. Sure is useful to have local airgunners who are more expierienced...

calculator · #8 Post by **calculator** » Sat Mar 11, 2006 12:19 am

How can anyone not know how to fill CO2?

I'll explain it so that we can all laugh at them.

Step 1. Make sure tank is empty, just by feel (50% of tanks I get are full and the customer doesn't know) - this way the customer feels like you care since you saved them $2.89 and time when you don't have to fill their tank

Step 2. Screw the tank to the hose connected to the pump connected to the tank.

Step 3. Push pump switch to "dump" for a short blast to empty the tank fully or to let some CO2 out (helps avoid moisture on refills)

Step 4. Push switch to fill......and fill it 'til no more will fit.

Step 5. Unscrew the top part of the hose attachment and dump the CO2 that is in the hose....

Step 6. Unscrew the bottle

Step 7. Make customer pay.

Trouble Shooting: Bleed Valves (people loosen these because they don't understand them and think they can get more shots by loosening them), O-rings (essential part), check the pin in valve on the bottle (these are always "damage" because people leave them on their guns and they become weak).

Anyways, to sum it all up: Attach bottle to tank, fill, make them pay

It is a 15 second procedure to fill a tank and takes the intellegence of a 10 year old. Same with the skate sharpening machine.

#9 Post by **sniper** » Sat Mar 11, 2006 12:41 am

calculator wrote:How can anyone not know how to fill CO2?

I'll explain it so that we can all laugh at them.

Step 1. Make sure tank is empty, just by feel (50% of tanks I get are full and the customer doesn't know) - this way the customer feels like you care since you saved them $2.89 and time when you don't have to fill their tank

Step 2. Screw the tank to the hose connected to the pump connected to the tank.

Step 3. Push pump switch to "dump" for a short blast to empty the tank fully or to let some CO2 out (helps avoid moisture on refills)

Step 4. Push switch to fill......and fill it 'til no more will fit.

Step 5. Unscrew the top part of the hose attachment and dump the CO2 that is in the hose....

Step 6. Unscrew the bottle

Step 7. Make customer pay.

Trouble Shooting: Bleed Valves (people loosen these because they don't understand them and think they can get more shots by loosening them), O-rings (essential part), check the pin in valve on the bottle (these are always "damage" because people leave them on their guns and they become weak).

Anyways, to sum it all up: Attach bottle to tank, fill, make them pay

It is a 15 second procedure to fill a tank and takes the intellegence of a 10 year old. Same with the skate sharpening machine.

Step 3. Push pump switch to "dump" for a short blast to empty the tank fully or to let some CO2 out (helps avoid moisture on refills)

This step is to chill the bottle is needed to transfer co2 into the bottle.

After finish refilling, don't forget to weight the co2 in the bottle make sure it doesn't fill up to 100% of bottle capacity at warm temp it might blow the safety valve and must be replaced after.

Here is my 50 LBS CO2 :

ustilago · #10 Post by **ustilago** » Sat Mar 11, 2006 1:38 am

Yep, you totally forgot the "weigh bottle empty/weigh bottle full and do simple math" steps.

I gave my little brother an M98 with a 16 oz stubby tank. The tank had an on/off valve instead of a pin valve. He too the tank to the New Brunswick Tire here in Deathbridge and handed it to the sporting goods clerk requesting a fill. 15 minutes later she came back wearing gloves and holding a thoroughly frosted tank.
We played 2 days later and the tank was completely empty. She couldn't grasp the concept that the valve had a knob to manually open and close it.

People that no nothing about paintball or airgunning should not be allowed to fill CO2 tanks.

ABshooter · #11 Post by **ABshooter** » Sat Mar 11, 2006 3:31 pm

ustilago wrote:15 minutes later she came back wearing gloves and holding a thoroughly frosted tank.
We played 2 days later and the tank was completely empty. She couldn't grasp the concept that the valve had a knob to manually open and close it.

Dumb womens...

Gotrice23 · #12 Post by **Gotrice23** » Sat Mar 11, 2006 3:32 pm

ABshooter wrote:
ustilago wrote:15 minutes later she came back wearing gloves and holding a thoroughly frosted tank.
We played 2 days later and the tank was completely empty. She couldn't grasp the concept that the valve had a knob to manually open and close it.

Dumb womens...

Ya dumb sexist

calculator · #13 Post by **calculator** » Sat Mar 11, 2006 3:35 pm

We don't chill the tanks or weigh them. If the customer wants more CO2 then they can chill them themselves

. It is also not necessary to chill the bottle to transfer CO2. When you transfer the CO2 from the big bottle to the little bottle it automaticcaly chills the bottle anyways, because the CO2 is much colder than the air.

We don't weigh the bottles because then we have to get a scale. Only about 1 out of 10 bottles has any CO2 left in it so it doesn't make sense for us to go out an buy a scale so we can put 4.683 ounces in a tank. Our machine fills the bottles up to the maximum, which isn't 100% anyways.

Also, the on/off valves are the best. That's what I use for my paintball guns.

ustilago · #14 Post by **ustilago** » Sat Mar 11, 2006 6:08 pm

You might want to check the department of transportation regulations on that. The bottles are filled by weigh, not volume. Filling without a scale is a bad idea.

If I pay for 20 oz of CO2 and someone sells me 15 or 18 oz, I will be mildly displeased. If they put 22 or 25 oz in that same bottle I would be extremely displeased. Then I would have to track down a unified burst disc for a Smartparts Smart valve. That will set me back at least $20 if I can find one.

Get the store to pull a cheap digital fishing scale off the shelves. Use it. CYA dude.

Also, you do need to chill the tank to get a proper fill. Filling a CO2 tank depends on a pressure gradient. Lower pressure in the tank to be filled than in the supply tank. Either vent the tank if it has some liquid in it already or fill it a little bit and then dump that.

You are doing visual inspections of the tanks before filling them. . . right? No filling dented or gouged tanks, very bad, unsafe . . . big liability.
You should also do a twist test on the valve. If it turns, don't fill the tank. there have been two deaths in the states within the last few years from "bottle rockets".

#15 Post by **sniper** » Sat Mar 11, 2006 6:51 pm

WOW .... calculator .....
weight the co2 content is a good idea, I bought that digital scale for $ 40 at CT. You only want about 85% of CO2 of the bottle capacity. 100% filled in the summer time, the safety valve usually burst in about after a couple hours if the bottle is not being use and the safety valve is not cheap to replace.