Good .22 non-PAL Rifle?

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Good .22 non-PAL Rifle?

#1 Post by cfraser »

I'm kinda stoked after Randy's post on the Patriot. But reality sets in...I'm 145 lbs so don't know about cocking it and don't have a PAL (just "possession" license, but have taken the "hunting safety" course thingy and not sure if that's what's needed to upgrade my possession to acquisition).

Anything come to mind? Gotta admit, I haven't noticed anything since PAL came to be and my FAC was neutered... It's gotta be .22. If it can be upgraded after PAL that's a bonus. Thanks.
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#2 Post by Mulby »

How much do you want to spend? Nearly anything is possible!

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#3 Post by sniper »

Sounds like you want anything there is in DE-TUNED version and then you can TUNED up to PAL version and register it.

One of the simplest one and the lightest is BSA SuperSport .22
next Diana 34,36 .... all in .22.

hmmmm what else is in light weight for de-tuned springer ....
There are alot of HW but a bit havier.
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#4 Post by CZ-Sniper »

If you want quality, then give the HW30 or the HW50s a good look. They are pure quality airguns, and in .22 are right on the PAL limit. (my friend has both of them. Such smooth, sexy guns).

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#5 Post by cfraser »

Yeah, the HW's are what I've been eyeing. They seem to be well thought of here, and I noticed they're detuned. Admit I hadn't really heard of them before I came to this forum. So they can be de-detuned when I have a PAL? That would be a worthy feature, though I actually don't want any of my airguns to be PAL at this time (even if I had a PAL) so if it couldn't be tuned back to PAL it wouldn't be a deal breaker. I should see what D&L says about that, presume they would know. I can't tell much about the functional diffs between models from their site, many are priced all about the same too.

I posted this Q after I realised from Randy's post that the Patriot is even heavier and larger than all of my non-air rifles, and they are already about as heavy as I'm comfortable with. Never even mind the cocking.

I am kinda picky about there being no plastic and there being real wood stock, preferably basic walnut with some checkering and without a shiny finish. That's just what I like in a rifle, solid but not too fancy. So yes, I am willing to pay more for something well-built, and that looks/feels well-built too, with some attention to detail. Besides all the other more important stuff...

I was looking at the HW 35, 77, 85, 95. I noticed you didn't mention those models.
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#6 Post by randyhub »

Sorry I didn't mean to put anyone off the Patriot and other Magnum springers but it is really heavy and hard to cock, and you maybe right at 145lbs I really do not think you will find the weight of the rifle will enhance your shooting enjoyment. I know this sounds a little strange but how about something like a accurized QB-78 detuned to 495 FPS with a really nice scope and one of Sniper's target stocks? Crown the barrel, tune the trigger, convert to bulk so you can use HPA in winter as I do and you will have a light accurate fun gun. Just a thought as I hear nothing but good things about this platform.

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#7 Post by CZ-Sniper »

cfraser wrote:Yeah, the HW's are what I've been eyeing. They seem to be well thought of here, and I noticed they're detuned. Admit I hadn't really heard of them before I came to this forum. So they can be de-detuned when I have a PAL? That would be a worthy feature, though I actually don't want any of my airguns to be PAL at this time (even if I had a PAL) so if it couldn't be tuned back to PAL it wouldn't be a deal breaker. I should see what D&L says about that, presume they would know. I can't tell much about the functional diffs between models from their site, many are priced all about the same too.

I posted this Q after I realised from Randy's post that the Patriot is even heavier and larger than all of my non-air rifles, and they are already about as heavy as I'm comfortable with. Never even mind the cocking.

I am kinda picky about there being no plastic and there being real wood stock, preferably basic walnut with some checkering and without a shiny finish. That's just what I like in a rifle, solid but not too fancy. So yes, I am willing to pay more for something well-built, and that looks/feels well-built too, with some attention to detail. Besides all the other more important stuff...

I was looking at the HW 35, 77, 85, 95. I noticed you didn't mention those models.
The HW30 for example, already arrives detuned for you. Illingsworth Imports., and D&L Airguns supply these versions.

Air Arms HFT 500
FX Streamline laminate .22
Benjamin Discovery .22 (tuned)
Weihrauch HW30S .177
Weihrauch HW30 MK1 .177
Weihrauch HW40
Beeman P17
Crosman 22xx carbine (tuned)
Princess Auto Super Springer Deluxe ($34.99)
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#8 Post by cfraser »

I am kind of leaning towards the HW77 right now. I kind of like the idea of the under-lever cocking. It sounds more potentially accurate to me, but I don't know any better... And the HW77 is still pretty heavy. I'd really like to find a local place who has these to get a feel for them. D&L has a "no return" policy, a pain if something turns out to be way too heavy for me to use comfortably.

The HW30 sure is a lot cheaper though. And sounds very decent for the $$. I am unclear of the diff between it and the HW50 right now. Thanks.
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#9 Post by Mulby »

I have the 77k in .22, 95 Luxus in .22, 90 in .177, & the 50s in .177, I love them all! My rifles are not detuned, except for the 90(gasram)which I detuned slightly by letting air out of the strut to get the desired power. The 77k & 95 are both generally 15fpe guns, my 90 is shooting at 15fpe as well but will do as much as 19fpe, & the 50s is a sweet shooter at a bit over 11.3fpe.

IMHO, the 50s is the way to go. Easy to work on, easy to cock and shoot, not to heavy at only 6.8lbs(the 77k is 8.8lbs), & powerfull enough for most airgun duty. It's a shorter rifle, but the length of pull is the same as the larger 95.

But if you want more power(eventually)the 95 is also easy to work on, easy to cock and shot and also not to heavy at 7.5lbs. It's not that much longer than the 50s either.

All my Weihrauch rifles are very accurate, so are my Dianas. I have fixedbarrel and breakbarrel examples of both brands, & I can find no reason to believe that a quality fixedbarrel springer is anymore accurate than a quality breakbarrel. Though the fixedbarrel guns are generally heavier than breakbarrels, don't get me wrong though, the 77k is an awesome rifle with an incredible past.

Oh, I almost forgot. The differences between the 30s and 50s are not major. The 50s has a longer stroke & stronger spring than the 30s. A full power 30s is only about 100fps faster than its detuned version, while the full power 50s is about 300fps faster than its detuned version. The 50s is also a slightly larger rifle than the 30s, but not by much in weight or length. Some say that the 50s is difficult to cock because of its stout spring & one piece cocking linkage, but I don't find it difficult at all. It's about the same to cock the 50s as it is to cock the 95, and the 95 is IMO a pussycat to cock.

Bringing the HW rifles up to PAL levels is as easy as changing the mainspring & regestering the rifle with the CFC. They are great rifles at either PAL or non & are worth every penny. HTH,

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#10 Post by cfraser »

Thanks for the great info.

In the time since my last post, I have tried to be reasonable (regarding my physical stature) and I too have come to the conclusion that the HW50S would be the more sensible and better choice for me. I found it quite difficult to get good info on that model (most is in German and re the .177 model), and glad to hear it is ~2lbs lighter than the 77...that's the impression I got based on the weight of the similar 30S. Miss the checkering though, I find it useful (not a decoration)...
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#11 Post by edholton »

well the patriot is not for plinking and is hard to cock but not real bad..the gamo 1250 hunter is also hard to cock and is a workout to shoot.
my tomahawk is suprisingly easy to cock for it,s
power...shoots around 810 fps in 22 cal with a crosman premier pellet.
these are all P.A.L guns and i agree with mulby
as i have both diana and hw guns and would say although both are good i would take an hw gun for there constant workman ship...if you get a bigger gun and want to change it to pal later gat a hw-97 if you want to scope it or the hw-77 if not.
oh and your hunter safety course has no bearing on getting your P.A.L...you still have to take the p.a.l test!.....you should just pass without any problem.
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#12 Post by TCooper »

Hi cfraser,

The current HW50S is known as the R6 in the USA (.177 version). The HW99 is also the same rifle (discontinued model name).

There was an airgunner on the yellow forum who bought a new full power .22 HW50S from Illingworth Imports. It clocked around 575fps with 14.3/14.5gr pellets. The detuned HW airguns seem to shoot right around the 500fps mark.

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#13 Post by TCooper »

I found the info I mentioned above.

.22 HW50S data http://www.network54.com/Forum/79537/me ... 117042159/

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#14 Post by Mulby »

The 50s is a great choice. The detuned version will be a sweet shooter for sure, and cocking effort will be very easy with the detuned spring.

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#15 Post by ETA »

If this is your first HW, I say go for a de-tuned HW95 in .22cal.

It is the most well rounded and versatile HW. It does everything well. It is great for plinking or hunting. Superb accuracy. Good weight without being heavy. Easy to cock and load due to the break barrel design.

The HW50s is good air rifle, but the stock is not as nice. Weight and length is almost the same. The double cocking linkage of the HW50s is not as smooth and efficient as the single linkage of the HW95. I find the HW95 easier to cock. The HW95 is easier to service and has more power potential. If you want a nicer stock than the standard HW95, you can get a HW95 Luxus like Mulby did.
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