Hi Cfraser,
Here is an example of how Canada Post works.
Let's calculate the shipping rate for one tin of 500 .22 pellets from Illingworth Imports to my house (northern Ontario). Using the tools on the Canada Post web site I inputted a package of 2 pounds and dimensions of 10"x6"x6". A tin of .22 pellets is about a pound and I estimated the packaging weight at one pound (2 lb total weight). Shipping fees work out to $9.49. Then I calculated 10 tins at one pound each and one more pound for packaging (same box size). The fee for the 11 pound box would be $13.42.
With one tin of pellets the shipping was almost $10. With 10 tins the shipping was less than $1.50 per tin. It's a shipping rip off to buy less than 10 tins.
I did a calculation for 20 tins at 22 pounds for the total package. I increased the package dimensions to 10"x10"x6". The fee for 20 tins worked out to $17.62. That's less than a dollar per tin for shipping from Sask to northern Ontario.
Summary
One tin = $9.49 shipping per tin
10 tins = $1.34 shipping per tin
20 tins = $0.88 shipping per tin
Canada Post calculator http://www.canadapost.ca/personal/tools ... _res-e.asp
Todd
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Oh yeah, I know all about how CP rips off consumers. As opposed to large businesses. Businesses can mail what we'd call a letter for pennies, not 0.51 each. I get a lot of DVD's by mail, and they can send them for a quarter. It costs us a few bucks because consumers can't use "media mail". Things like that. Never mind how cheap it is to mail something from a U.S. address to here, compared to sending something from here to the same address by a similar method, less than half the price to go through the same system. Besides the charge ripoff of consumers, CP does a pretty good job IMO otherwise. That's why I don't complain *too* much, even being the cheap bastard.
But, I got overcharged on this shipment, and that colored my perspective. I figured they were adding a 50% "handling charge" (over postage) or something, which made me wary. May have been an isolated incident, but excessive "shipping" charges always royally piss me off. You too I guess.
But, I got overcharged on this shipment, and that colored my perspective. I figured they were adding a 50% "handling charge" (over postage) or something, which made me wary. May have been an isolated incident, but excessive "shipping" charges always royally piss me off. You too I guess.
Hey Hitman, iirc you can find out shipping costs and the total amount that you would have to pay from Illingsworth. Using the word Test as your first and last name, your actual address that it will be shipped too. There's your total.hitman wrote:seeing as I'm only 14 i have a limited budget and i am wondering around how much the shipping will be for the gun and diabolo exact pellets in bulk shipped to New Brunswick?
Just dont forget that when you are ready to order that you actually put your real name and shipping info. Not like me.
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Hi cfraser,cfraser wrote:Oh yeah, I know all about how CP rips off consumers. As opposed to large businesses. Businesses can mail what we'd call a letter for pennies, not 0.51 each. I get a lot of DVD's by mail, and they can send them for a quarter. It costs us a few bucks because consumers can't use "media mail". Things like that. Never mind how cheap it is to mail something from a U.S. address to here, compared to sending something from here to the same address by a similar method, less than half the price to go through the same system. Besides the charge ripoff of consumers, CP does a pretty good job IMO otherwise. That's why I don't complain *too* much, even being the cheap bastard.
But, I got overcharged on this shipment, and that colored my perspective. I figured they were adding a 50% "handling charge" (over postage) or something, which made me wary. May have been an isolated incident, but excessive "shipping" charges always royally piss me off. You too I guess.
Yah, I hate paying surcharges or excessive shipping fees. About 15-20 years ago I made a few orders from Gander Mountain in the USA. They charged shipping according to product price. It was a terrible rip-off. I'm not sure if they still have the same procedure.
As Steeb mentioned, you can get a shipping estimate from Illingworth by using their web site. If you choose COD there is a $6 extra fee. Oversized items also get an added fee by Canada Post.
Although our Canadian shipping fees are a bit high, I am thankful that packages rarely get damaged... at least that's my experience. So far, I have never had a problem with a lost or damaged package.
Todd
Yeah, I think it was an isolated incident, and I wasn't even going to specifically mention it or names (my earlier beating around the bush). It's not the amount of money, which is small, just shipping charges that bear a vague relation to actual cost are strictly a pet peeve. Mainly because I buy so much from the US. I just want to say that this IS NOT a big deal in this instance in case somebody thinks I'm really pissed off or something. eBayers who charge US$20 to ship a $10 item that weighs an ounce DO piss me off, and they're really common...naturally I stay away from them but I'm surprised how many don't.
I also have had fantastic luck with Canada Post and USPS. I really like them, USPS being very flexible and well-priced, and CP not nearly so much. I am mainly just happy to actually receive my packages undamaged. My parents live in the US and I often get stuff sent to them, then they forward it. The "double shipping" from/within the US costs less than if I were to ship the same weight across town. It's pretty clear CP is the money sucker. From what I've read it's going to get worse, because as fewer people use CP because of their high rates they have to increase the rates to support their fixed/increasing infrastructure costs.
Many of the larger US companies now ship from a Canadian depot, Fort Erie being a common place for around here. This is cool because you often don't pay any PST or GST (I don't understand why) so that compensates for the shipping charges, plus returns are much easier without cross-border. Cabelas does not have nearly the huge selection of airgun stuff they used to, but they do that (or used to, haven't bought anything for a while). Had to get something vaguely airgun related in there.
I also have had fantastic luck with Canada Post and USPS. I really like them, USPS being very flexible and well-priced, and CP not nearly so much. I am mainly just happy to actually receive my packages undamaged. My parents live in the US and I often get stuff sent to them, then they forward it. The "double shipping" from/within the US costs less than if I were to ship the same weight across town. It's pretty clear CP is the money sucker. From what I've read it's going to get worse, because as fewer people use CP because of their high rates they have to increase the rates to support their fixed/increasing infrastructure costs.
Many of the larger US companies now ship from a Canadian depot, Fort Erie being a common place for around here. This is cool because you often don't pay any PST or GST (I don't understand why) so that compensates for the shipping charges, plus returns are much easier without cross-border. Cabelas does not have nearly the huge selection of airgun stuff they used to, but they do that (or used to, haven't bought anything for a while). Had to get something vaguely airgun related in there.
I know this thread has been dead for over 3 months now, but I just stumbled upon it and couldn't help it. After reading cfraser's story, I needed to say that I too was charged a couple of bucks more for shipping from Illingworth, than what was marked on CP's stamp. Not much, mind you, but still a bit disconcerting.
I never said anything, due to the wonderful service I was given by Harvey, but it still pis'd me off a bit to see that. Just like cfraser I guess.
Now, I have a bunch of pellets on order from him again and am very anxious to see how the shipping charges will differ from the actual CP's stamp. Will try to post the results here.
And by the way, even though the prices given on Illingworth site are only for the 10 tins sleeve, they will gladly sell you the pellets by the tin. I have 6 different tins on order at this moment. Just thought you should know.
I never said anything, due to the wonderful service I was given by Harvey, but it still pis'd me off a bit to see that. Just like cfraser I guess.
Now, I have a bunch of pellets on order from him again and am very anxious to see how the shipping charges will differ from the actual CP's stamp. Will try to post the results here.
And by the way, even though the prices given on Illingworth site are only for the 10 tins sleeve, they will gladly sell you the pellets by the tin. I have 6 different tins on order at this moment. Just thought you should know.
For one thing, Illingworth ships properly. For instance, on Weihrauch guns, it says right on the box that it must be put inside another box to ship, the gun box isn't a shipping box. You'd be surprised the people who don't do that. It's not unreasonable to pay for the labor/effort/materials to do that. Better a few bucks more "shipping" cost to get your gun in perfect condition...how I see it now.
Pellets are a tough one. Most airgun shippers insist on using a trackable method. That costs a fair bit more proportionally for small stuff. You'd think they might be a little more lenient on something not a gun, ship untrackable, but I guess they have their reasons. The cheapest trackable shipping method, you can only get 2-3 tins of pellets in there because of weight limitations (Canada Post), and I think that's around $10. It only goes up from there... Pellets are very expensive to ship in Canada compared to their value. Shipping from the US to here is half the cost by weight. But the pellets typically cost more there, though sometimes cheaper if you really shop around, but not often. So it's a balancing act, between pellet and shipping cost, and speed of delivery. All in all, for boutique pellets, I've found the best thing is to buy from out of province (to save tax) in Canada, and to buy a bunch of tins at once. From any of the retailers often mentioned here. If you can get to a LeBaron and you want plain-vanilla pellets, they're the cheapest by far.
Pellets are a tough one. Most airgun shippers insist on using a trackable method. That costs a fair bit more proportionally for small stuff. You'd think they might be a little more lenient on something not a gun, ship untrackable, but I guess they have their reasons. The cheapest trackable shipping method, you can only get 2-3 tins of pellets in there because of weight limitations (Canada Post), and I think that's around $10. It only goes up from there...
Pellets are very expensive to ship in Canada compared to their value. Shipping from the US to here is half the cost by weight. But the pellets typically cost more there, though sometimes cheaper if you really shop around, but not often. So it's a balancing act, between pellet and shipping cost, and speed of delivery. All in all, for boutique pellets, I've found the best thing is to buy from out of province (to save tax) in Canada, and to buy a bunch of tins at once. From any of the retailers often mentioned here. If you can get to a LeBaron and you want plain-vanilla pellets, they're the cheapest by far.Somewhere on this forum I posted some Canada Post shipping fees for pellets. It's best to order a minimum of 5 tins, but 10 or more is even better. Ordering 2 or 3 tins increases shipping costs per tin. It's not bad for 10 tins... about a dollar each for shipping. Canada Post has a minimum shipping fee and that's what causes grief with small orders.
It's not a big issue if a dealer charges $20 shipping if the CanPost fee is $18.32. If they add $10 then there is a valid complaint. I have no complaints with Illingworth and they have treated me well on 3 past orders.
I can't find my bill for 20 tins of JSB Exacts but the shipping fees were lower than I expected.
Todd
It's not a big issue if a dealer charges $20 shipping if the CanPost fee is $18.32. If they add $10 then there is a valid complaint. I have no complaints with Illingworth and they have treated me well on 3 past orders.
I can't find my bill for 20 tins of JSB Exacts but the shipping fees were lower than I expected.
Todd
Thanks for the suggestion Todd, but Harvey has been SO NICE to deal with, and has given me such a good service, that I don't find it worth complaining for a few bucks. I will however keep checking shipping charges on future orders and if this practice continues or gets worse, I might mention it to him at one point. Otherwise, I'd gladly pay the few extra dollars for the #1 service I get. Even though, like most of us, I am operating on a very tight budget.
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Here's an update on my latest order from Illingworth:
1. - I was charged $4.00 over the amount marked on CP's stamps on the package, but see next point.
2. - I ordered last Saturday around noon, I received my package on Tuesday morning!
3. - All of a sudden, I couldn't care much about those $4.00. And that was supposed to be regular shipping!!!
4. - I am a happy camper!
1. - I was charged $4.00 over the amount marked on CP's stamps on the package, but see next point.
2. - I ordered last Saturday around noon, I received my package on Tuesday morning!
3. - All of a sudden, I couldn't care much about those $4.00. And that was supposed to be regular shipping!!!
4. - I am a happy camper!