FITCO AO Scopes: Short range focus question

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FITCO AO Scopes: Short range focus question

#1 Post by cfraser »

How do their AO scopes that give minimum focus range of 50' look at 10m (~33')? For indoor use.

I'm asking because they seem to only have one, 2-7x32, that focuses down to 7.5yds, nothing in between that and 45-50' unless I missed it. Would like to have a greater choice if short range focus of the 50' ones is "usable" at 10m.

These scopes would be for 2289 and 2250 so I don't need springer-built. Am kind of liking the AO option on the 3-9x32 Sportsman scope I got the other week, so would like something similar but MUCH smaller and lighter and also AO. Would prefer 3-9x40 or 3-9x32 but 2-7x32 would do if nothing else works. Thanks.
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#2 Post by NIGHTHAWK »

Hi there CFRASER,

Have you checked out the scopes SNIPER is offering? His REX 3-9 x 40 mm focuses under 10 ft! SNIPER showed my one of them and I was very impressed. Bought one and very happy.

Take care,

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#3 Post by Parker_101_ »

I'll second that.....I bought one from sniper and have to say that this is a great scope.....very clear optics and focus is amazing.....it's this one....
click on the Link.......REX
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#4 Post by Don_s »

I'll have to agree with parker and nighthawk... These Rex scopes are great!
Very well built and can even withstand a recoil of a springer...

At the price that they are selling its basically a steal!

Im currently working on a review on one of these... I'm just waiting for a few more test shots and I'll post it.

Grab one from sniper while he still has them


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#5 Post by cfraser »

Thanks. Yes, I KNOW about Sniper's REX scope. I HAVE been thinking about it, I didn't forget. In fact, I went over his post about it just before I originally posted.

Thing is, I don't need a springer-rated scope. They are bigger and heavier than non-springer ones....usually. And I already have rather expensive scopes ($2-300) on those airguns, but they don't focus at 10m, not even close. And I need 2 scopes, and was kinda thinking "cheap" just to get a short distance focus and not higher quality optics.

From what I've seen, 32mm springer scopes are as heavy (or heavier) and larger overall than 40mm non-springer scopes. So I'm wondering how heavy and large a 40mm springer-rated scope is. These are pretty light guns, the 2250 especially lightweight...I wouldn't be surprised if that 40mm REX weighed almost as much as the 2250 which would kinda defeat its very lightweight purpose.

How much does the REX weigh?
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cfraser wrote:Thanks. Yes, I KNOW about Sniper's REX scope. I HAVE been thinking about it, I didn't forget. In fact, I went over his post about it just before I originally posted.

Thing is, I don't need a springer-rated scope. They are bigger and heavier than non-springer ones....usually. And I already have rather expensive scopes ($2-300) on those airguns, but they don't focus at 10m, not even close. And I need 2 scopes, and was kinda thinking "cheap" just to get a short distance focus and not higher quality optics.

From what I've seen, 32mm springer scopes are as heavy (or heavier) and larger overall than 40mm non-springer scopes. So I'm wondering how heavy and large a 40mm springer-rated scope is. These are pretty light guns, the 2250 especially lightweight...I wouldn't be surprised if that 40mm REX weighed almost as much as the 2250 which would kinda defeat its very lightweight purpose.

How much does the REX weigh?
Read this.......
sniper wrote:AO min is 10 yards.
at 3x, you can focus as close as 5 FT.
Rex is a high end scope made in China, no comparison to Fitco or
low end Bushnell that is also made in China.

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cfraser wrote:Thanks. Yes, I KNOW about Sniper's REX scope. I HAVE been thinking about it, I didn't forget. In fact, I went over his post about it just before I originally posted.

Thing is, I don't need a springer-rated scope. They are bigger and heavier than non-springer ones....usually. And I already have rather expensive scopes ($2-300) on those airguns, but they don't focus at 10m, not even close. And I need 2 scopes, and was kinda thinking "cheap" just to get a short distance focus and not higher quality optics.

From what I've seen, 32mm springer scopes are as heavy (or heavier) and larger overall than 40mm non-springer scopes. So I'm wondering how heavy and large a 40mm springer-rated scope is. These are pretty light guns, the 2250 especially lightweight...I wouldn't be surprised if that 40mm REX weighed almost as much as the 2250 which would kinda defeat its very lightweight purpose.

How much does the REX weigh?
yes but don,t let the fact it can go on a springer make you think you are paying more for it,that makes no differance.
if you get a spriinger rated scope you can always put it on a springer if you get one in the future.
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#8 Post by cfraser »

LOL, I'm the one who asked about the AO focus and reticle in that REX thread. Didn't ask about the weight then though because I had no idea how big a springer-rated scope could be, never paid attention.

I bought the Bushnell Sportsman 3-9x32 a couple days after Sniper's REX post, I had already verbally committed to getting it. There is no doubt the REX is a nicer scope than the one I got, for essentially the same price at the time. That scope was for a springer, and I checked out the threads in all the NA airgun forums about how even lame springers (like mine) have busted all sorts of fancy scopes, sometimes only after a tin or two of pellets. Never mind the magnum springers. Some scopes do survive though, price and manufacturer seemed to be no indication of springer-worthiness, but what I gleaned was best to go for springer-rated for a springer, for long term reliability. Well, that's kinda OT since the new scopes aren't for springers, but yes it's true Ed, I will almost certainly get another springer so a springer-rating may not be wasted.

But I was shocked how huge that springer-rated Sportsman is compared to a fancier Bushnell of same 3-9x32. I should post pics, it's way longer and heavier and fatter and is not nearly as good quality optics. But lets leave optics quality out, there's a reason some 3-9x32 cost $50 and some cost $3000. I'm just talking about size, it sometimes does matter, not the price.

So yes, I could put the REX on my springer (already kinda heavy, yes I'm wimpy), and the Sportsman on the 2289 (already kinda heavyish with the 40mm it has, not a prob for what I use it for). I guess it's the 2250 I'm in a quandary about.

Sounds like I'm talking myself into 2 REX's...dealtime Sniper?? :D They do look nice from the pics! Wish I had one to look at, I'm not good at visualising/judging the size of things from pics and descriptions, need it in my hands. Where does the Sniper-man live, maybe I could meet him (and possibly bring my guns) and decide whether to get 1 or 2??
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#9 Post by sniper »

Thank you all.

Here is a comparison of the two:
I weight the two scopes on a scale with the scope mount on them.
The Rex is 1" longer because the front built in lense hood is about 1" or so.


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#10 Post by cfraser »

Just for comparison, some other 32mm scopes I have without mounts:

-the Bushnell Sportsman 3-9x32AO weighs 465g
-the Bushnell Scopechief VI 2.5-8x32 weighs 325g and is much smaller in every way than the Sportsman

I put the Sportsman on the 2250 and it is fine. I could easily live with another ~100g from the REX, though I'd likely put them on the heavier guns. The Sportsman is kinda clunky, in that it's very fat for a 32mm scope, probably about the same fatness as the 40mm REX. Amazing how light the HW30 feels without the Sportsman scope now, that extra pound makes a huge difference to me, must be some kind of personal sensing thing as it's really not *that* much heavier with it. Wish I could still shoot with open rifle sights...
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#11 Post by sniper »

cfraser wrote:Just for comparison, some other 32mm scopes I have without mounts:

-the Bushnell Sportsman 3-9x32AO weighs 465g
So the different is NOT that much REX without the mount is only weight
490g. It's a different of 25g.
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#12 Post by cfraser »

Thanks.

Like I keep saying, that Sportsman is real fat and heavy for what it is, whereas the 40mm REX looks "normal" size, as best I can judge compared to my other 40mm scopes.

I don't mean to slaughter the Sportsman, it seems to work fine and I have no complaints and I'm not disappointed, except the internal reflections from the untreated tube surfaces bug me somewhat, similarly the reflective lenses (but you don't get the anti-reflective stuff anywhere for $85). It is my first AO.

One thing about the REX I'll have to make sure of is whether it will fit on the Crosman breech with the included mounts. There's not a lot of room for them with the scope's central "knob" thing and proper eye relief. I can probably judge thanks to the ruler in the pic. The Sportsman barely fits, it was real close, and its mounts are narrower. The other REX will go on a HW30 so no prob. I guess it makes sense to get just one first and try it on the Crosman JIC.
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#13 Post by cfraser »

How far is "in the store"? If the scope is in focus at a short distance and still in focus at the long distance, then the short distance is the "infinity" for that scope (to keep it simple). Hmm, the shortest "infinity" I recall seeing is 30yds, 50yds is not uncommon for .22 rimfile scopes, 100yds normal for most powder burner scopes. An "infinity" of 10yds would be great for a low-powered-airgun scope. In lieu of that we can use AO that we have to focus manually until you get to over ~100yds.

If you find out the scope type somehow please let us know. There were some great airgun scopes that are no longer made, some of them pretty expensive. I think people get around this with AO now, which doesn't have to be that expensive, but does require a bit of twiddling.

I also find I need a scope now. I really can't shoot much more accurately with them (non-PAL stuff) but the rear sights on rifles look fuzzy and that annoys me and makes it harder/slower to aim. I am not liking the necessity of these scopes on my light airguns though, considering the range they're useful for, so I'm being somewhat picky about scope weight.
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#14 Post by cfraser »

Learned something new today: AO scope is very inconvenient when varminting. Guess that's why they call them "target" scopes or somesuch, where you can adjust the objective for the target distance and leave it there, lousy for moving targets. If I leave the AO at infinity or 100yds for varminting, I may as well have the superior optics and lightness of my non-AO scopes on the varminting guns, I'll have to think about this and try it some more... As usual, pros and cons to everything.
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