Cheap Precision
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ArmourerETU
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Cheap Precision
Hi guys, I'm new to the forum and in the market for a quality air rifle. Over the past year my property has became a target rich enviroment with all types of little critters. I'm hoping to find a quality springer, under 500 fps, deadly precise, and can mount an scope.
All metal and wood; no plastic parts.Which mounts do you guys suggest for the CZ-631? The CZ-630/631 has an oddball 13.25mm scope rail and often the barrels have droop. ArmourerETU stated he wanted a scoped rifle.
The Weihrauch HW30S is a wonderful rifle for $261Cdn at Illingworth Imports (non-PAL versions). You can get it in .177 or .22 caliber. Great trigger, great accuracy, and an 11mm scope rail.
As mentioned, the Diana 24 is another great choice. Sometimes they have barrel droop but adjustable mounts are available to compensate. Price is around $225Cdn.
The CZ-630 is $129 and the CZ-631 is $139.
The Crosman Quest 500 is only $119Cdn at LeBaron. Scope rail is likely 11mm.
Todd
The Weihrauch HW30S is a wonderful rifle for $261Cdn at Illingworth Imports (non-PAL versions). You can get it in .177 or .22 caliber. Great trigger, great accuracy, and an 11mm scope rail.
As mentioned, the Diana 24 is another great choice. Sometimes they have barrel droop but adjustable mounts are available to compensate. Price is around $225Cdn.
The CZ-630 is $129 and the CZ-631 is $139.
The Crosman Quest 500 is only $119Cdn at LeBaron. Scope rail is likely 11mm.
Todd
Hi Todd, this is news to me, I would never imagine that any Diana would come with a droop barrel, well thx for the info. Now I'm concerned because that gun is on my next list.TCooper wrote: As mentioned, the Diana 24 is another great choice. Sometimes they have barrel droop but adjustable mounts are available to compensate. Price is around $225Cdn.
Todd
$225.00, that's the best price around.
Hi Sniper,
I have owned a Diana 36, Diana 38, and Diana 52. All had droop. Diana sells the adjustable mount because they intentionally build droop into their rifles. Droop helps when you want to use a rear aperture sight. You could get lucky and find a 24 with no droop or minimal droop.
I remember a forum member who had an old HW35 that had no (or minimal) droop. He wanted to use a rear aperture sight but had to physically bend the barrel down to get the sights working. His POI would not go low enough with the "scope registered barrel". I had the same problem with a 1980 HW35. Mine worked fine with a scope. I wanted to use a William FP-AG peep sight but had grief. Even with the sight down as far as possible I was still 3/8" too high at 10m. I needed barrel droop to make things work with the William's sight. My Diana 52 was fine with the same William's rear peep sight. I didn't try the 36 or 38 with the Williams but I bet they would be fine. Somes droop is good.
Sometimes the droop is mild enough that you have enough scope adjustment to get things set up. High magnification scopes might be a problem if droop is extreme. Sometimes the 4X scopes will have enough adjustment to get the POI where you want it, even with a little droop. I have seen extreme droop and it's quite visible when you look down the side of the receiver tube.
I have an old Nov.1998 Airgun Express News letter. It has an article on scope mounts. The article says that most RWS/Diana rifles require a compensating mount because of barrel angle. The RWS "C" mount is a compensating mount.
Some shooters will shim scopes if they have barrel droop. Too much shim can crimp a scope tube because the scope will not fit flat in the front mount. Mac-1 sells droop adjusted mounts. RWS/Diana has the C-mount. Sportmatch has a drooper mount. Some shooters will bend the barrel to fix the problem.
Todd
I have owned a Diana 36, Diana 38, and Diana 52. All had droop. Diana sells the adjustable mount because they intentionally build droop into their rifles. Droop helps when you want to use a rear aperture sight. You could get lucky and find a 24 with no droop or minimal droop.
I remember a forum member who had an old HW35 that had no (or minimal) droop. He wanted to use a rear aperture sight but had to physically bend the barrel down to get the sights working. His POI would not go low enough with the "scope registered barrel". I had the same problem with a 1980 HW35. Mine worked fine with a scope. I wanted to use a William FP-AG peep sight but had grief. Even with the sight down as far as possible I was still 3/8" too high at 10m. I needed barrel droop to make things work with the William's sight. My Diana 52 was fine with the same William's rear peep sight. I didn't try the 36 or 38 with the Williams but I bet they would be fine. Somes droop is good.
Sometimes the droop is mild enough that you have enough scope adjustment to get things set up. High magnification scopes might be a problem if droop is extreme. Sometimes the 4X scopes will have enough adjustment to get the POI where you want it, even with a little droop. I have seen extreme droop and it's quite visible when you look down the side of the receiver tube.
I have an old Nov.1998 Airgun Express News letter. It has an article on scope mounts. The article says that most RWS/Diana rifles require a compensating mount because of barrel angle. The RWS "C" mount is a compensating mount.
Some shooters will shim scopes if they have barrel droop. Too much shim can crimp a scope tube because the scope will not fit flat in the front mount. Mac-1 sells droop adjusted mounts. RWS/Diana has the C-mount. Sportmatch has a drooper mount. Some shooters will bend the barrel to fix the problem.
Todd
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airsmith282
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id sudjest a diana 24 in 177 or 22 cal same price from me only 225.00 plus shipping and if you are not in ontario then no taxes other wise all ontario residents pay 8% PST
the dianas are quaility made have plenty of Power for the under 500 fps range for more power with pal rated id go 350 magnumm from diana others like some of there side coker model rifles and all of hte under 500 fps are good for some small game and they are extreamly accurate and well last for years and years..
the 22 cal of course is the better choice for small game
the dianas are quaility made have plenty of Power for the under 500 fps range for more power with pal rated id go 350 magnumm from diana others like some of there side coker model rifles and all of hte under 500 fps are good for some small game and they are extreamly accurate and well last for years and years..
the 22 cal of course is the better choice for small game
Hi Todd,
You're right there is slight droop in the barrel of my D36 but very minimal that is hard to notice, D34- none, D350-none,D20-none.
I was reading on the angle droop on Beeman sport peepsight and Mac1 but they're talking about the setup droop not a droop barrel, I could be wrong ..... I have that peepsight on my D34 which has straight barrel not even a tiny bit of drooping and that peepsight is wicked on it. At 20 yards I can hit a 1/4" dot from a bench table.
Beeman sport aperture sight:
When using an aperture sight barrel, angle must be adjusted to droop downward.
Sorry you did mention that already, I miss the last paragraph ....
thx.
You're right there is slight droop in the barrel of my D36 but very minimal that is hard to notice, D34- none, D350-none,D20-none.
I was reading on the angle droop on Beeman sport peepsight and Mac1 but they're talking about the setup droop not a droop barrel, I could be wrong ..... I have that peepsight on my D34 which has straight barrel not even a tiny bit of drooping and that peepsight is wicked on it. At 20 yards I can hit a 1/4" dot from a bench table.
Beeman sport aperture sight:
When using an aperture sight barrel, angle must be adjusted to droop downward.
Sorry you did mention that already, I miss the last paragraph ....
thx.
Sometimes droop is difficult to notice until you place the receiver tube and barrel along a straight edge. This will show the slightly angled barrel. It's also quite possible you have non-drooped Diana rifles. It would be nice if they changed things for scope users. In the past they were known for droopy barrels.
I have looked down many CZ-630 and 631 barrels. Some have had droop and others appeared to be straight. It's nice when a buyer can check a few examples before making a purchase.
I think Mac-1 has a system for determining how much compensation you need for a drooper mount. The scope is first optically centered by counting clicks from each direction of adjustment (centre the adjustments). You can also centre the optics by rotating the scope in a box with V cuts for the scope. When the scope is centered the crosshair intersection will not move when rotated. The rifle is then shot at 10 yards to check POI. I think Tim's web site gives the details...or he has explained it before on a forum.
With my Diana 52 I was able to use a 3-9X scope but the adjustments were maxed out in one direction... which apparently is not healthy for a scope. I needed a drooper mount.
Todd
I have looked down many CZ-630 and 631 barrels. Some have had droop and others appeared to be straight. It's nice when a buyer can check a few examples before making a purchase.
I think Mac-1 has a system for determining how much compensation you need for a drooper mount. The scope is first optically centered by counting clicks from each direction of adjustment (centre the adjustments). You can also centre the optics by rotating the scope in a box with V cuts for the scope. When the scope is centered the crosshair intersection will not move when rotated. The rifle is then shot at 10 yards to check POI. I think Tim's web site gives the details...or he has explained it before on a forum.
With my Diana 52 I was able to use a 3-9X scope but the adjustments were maxed out in one direction... which apparently is not healthy for a scope. I needed a drooper mount.
Todd
I'm not even sure the CZ-631 is made anymore. It's not on the CZ web site and apparently imports to the USA seemed to have stopped. Last year I called Dave Campbell at London Arms and they had a huge inventory but I'm not sure what will happen when it's gone. Dave had not heard of the 630/631 being discontinued but the American importer states that it has. http://www.cz-usa.com/
Sometimes it takes a while for supplies to dry up, like the discontinued Cr2289.
The Czech airgun companies have been known to shut down when they have a stock pile or sales slow down. The Aeron pistol production once stopped, but resumed again. I would like to know the facts on the CZ air rifles. Anyone know?
There has been a lot of talk about a new high velocity CZ air rifle called the CZ-634. Maybe the plant is re-tooling for this rifle? If so, then hopefully we get a detuned version in Canada.
Todd
Sometimes it takes a while for supplies to dry up, like the discontinued Cr2289.
The Czech airgun companies have been known to shut down when they have a stock pile or sales slow down. The Aeron pistol production once stopped, but resumed again. I would like to know the facts on the CZ air rifles. Anyone know?
There has been a lot of talk about a new high velocity CZ air rifle called the CZ-634. Maybe the plant is re-tooling for this rifle? If so, then hopefully we get a detuned version in Canada.
Todd
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pellet head
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