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TCooper · #16 Post by **TCooper** » Fri Oct 21, 2005 10:41 pm

Hi Pellet head,

Thanks for the link. Hopefully the new CZ-634 will be available in a 500fps version for Canada. The 11mm scope rail is much better than the 13.25mm rail on the CZ-631. Also, the grooved forestock looks better than that checkering, IMHO.

Thanks,
Todd

pellet head · #17 Post by **pellet head** » Fri Oct 21, 2005 11:51 pm

I'm a little disappointed. I just bought my 630 a week and a half ago and found out just after that it's not even made anymore and that a lot of mods are no longer available. BUT, I do like it so I guess I should stop thinking of what could have been.

#18 Post by **Voltar1** » Mon Oct 24, 2005 3:32 pm

pellet head wrote:I'm a little disappointed. I just bought my 630 a week and a half ago and found out just after that it's not even made anymore and that a lot of mods are no longer available. BUT, I do like it so I guess I should stop thinking of what could have been.

Don't be disappointed be glad you got one.
The mods never came from CZ anyways, they are a do it yourself tuneable gun. Actually shoot best as is pretty much.
I'm glad I have one actually two now.
(still like my Quest better tho' eh Rob)
Walter...

airbuddy3 · #19 Post by **airbuddy3** » Mon Oct 24, 2005 5:43 pm

Walter your wish has come true ...the .22 cal quest is here !!
no need for a .22 barrel conversion , keep the .177 and get the matched
.22 !! you love the one you have wait till you try this one !!

Frank

airgunfun · #20 Post by **airgunfun** » Mon Oct 24, 2005 5:47 pm

Well, that sounds interesting. Got any specs or details?

BTW, the CZ 630/631 can still be modded eventhough they're out of production....sorry, I don't see the connection???? All of the parts and labour are all aftermarket.

#21 Post by **Voltar1** » Mon Oct 24, 2005 5:47 pm

airbuddy3 wrote:Walter your wish has come true ...the .22 cal quest is here !!
no need for a .22 barrel conversion , keep the .177 and get the matched
.22 !! you love the one you have wait till you try this one !!

Frank

Why'd you go and tell me that???????????????????

ok, who, where, how much....... gotta have one, I do so love my Quest!!!!
Hope the wood gets better than the current .177s I've seen.
So do you have one Frank?
what have you got 'er up to?
Walter...

Keep teasing me LOL

airbuddy3 · #22 Post by **airbuddy3** » Mon Oct 24, 2005 8:26 pm

Not teasin ya ..tis true ...link...

http://www.airgunexpress.com/Crosman%20 ... -0170+.htm

won't be long till its above the 49th parallel ..should be about the same price as the .177 ..speaking of which Russel sports is selling them for $109.99 ..another link !....

http://www.russellsports.com/files/121-140hs06.pdf

Regards ,
Frank

pellet head · #23 Post by **pellet head** » Mon Oct 24, 2005 9:33 pm

BTW, the CZ 630/631 can still be modded eventhough they're out of production....sorry, I don't see the connection???? All of the parts and labour are all aftermarket.

Sorry, I was referring more to the springs and stuff from Macarri. He doesn't produce them anymore.
I do love the rifle though. I am glad I bought it. Especially for the price.

airgunfun · #24 Post by **airgunfun** » Mon Oct 24, 2005 9:38 pm

That would be a shame. I know that he doesn't list them on his site anymore but did you try to contact him? I bought mine probably 4-5 months ago.

pellet head · #25 Post by **pellet head** » Mon Oct 24, 2005 9:43 pm

Yeah. Just emailed the other day. No go.

airgunfun · #26 Post by **airgunfun** » Mon Oct 24, 2005 9:48 pm

If you want the Maccari tune kit bad enough, put a WTB advert on the Yellow Forum and the American Airguns Classified Ads Page. I'm sure there's someone out there with aftermarket parts for sale.

http://www.airguns.net/classifieds/classifieds.html

http://www.network54.com/Forum/79574/

pellet head · #27 Post by **pellet head** » Mon Oct 24, 2005 10:40 pm

Thanks. I'll give that a try.

airsmith282 · #28 Post by **airsmith282** » Tue Oct 25, 2005 1:12 am

i agree with the diana 24 in 22 cal prefect choice, and whats with this barrel droop thing by the way i have both models of the 24 and they are deadly accurate with open sites and scopes

TCooper · #29 Post by **TCooper** » Tue Oct 25, 2005 4:44 am

Hi Airgunsmith,

Barrel droop has nothing to do with accuracy. Droop has to do with the angle of lock-up and it has a purpose. Droop helps when using an aperture sight. Without droop, it can sometimes be difficult getting the rear sight low enough for center hits. I experienced this problem with an older HW35 rifle. Not enough droop to work with a William's FP-AG peep. The POI was too high at 10m, even with the peep adjusted as low as possible.

Look down the receiver tube and barrel of a CZ630/631 and you will likely see what I mean. If you hold the rifle sideways and view down the tube and barrel you can see that the barrel is not in perfect alignment with the tube. It likely droops downwards. If you can't see this then place a yardstick along the top of the receiver tube and slide it towards the barrel until you have more than half the stick over the barrel. You will likely notice that the yard stick and barrel are not parallel. Droop.

Droop is not a new thing in airguns. Many Weihrauch airguns are now "registered' for use with scopes so they don't have droop. Some buyers still end up with occasional HW rifles with droop. Diana rifles more often have droop. As I mentioned previously, I have seen it in my Diana 36, 38, and 52. I have also seen it in a Diana 24, CZ-630, CZ-631, and Hatsan rifles.

When using low magnification scopes, the droop can sometimes be adjusted with the scope's internal adjustments. This will often result in the vertical adjustment being extreme. If you cannot get things adjusted, a droop compensating mount is needed. This is far from unheard of in the airgun communittee. Diana went so far as to create a special adjustable mount for their drooped rifles and they call it the "C" mount (compensating). Sportmatch, BKL, and B-Square also make droop compensating mounts. Mac-1 will cut a set of fixed mounts to custom set the droop for a specific rifle. If droop was not real, all these compensating mounts would not exist.

Here is a good droop article by Tim Mac http://www.mac1airgun.com/droopers.html

HTH,
Todd

#30 Post by **sniper** » Tue Oct 25, 2005 7:56 am

TCooper wrote: Look down the receiver tube and barrel of a CZ630/631 and you will likely see what I mean. If you hold the rifle sideways and view down the tube and barrel you can see that the barrel is not in perfect alignment with the tube. It likely droops downwards. If you can't see this then place a yardstick along the top of the receiver tube and slide it towards the barrel until you have more than half the stick over the barrel. You will likely notice that the yard stick and barrel are not parallel. Droop.

That is a really good way to check for drooping ......

TCooper wrote: Droop is not a new thing in airguns. Many Weihrauch airguns are now "registered' for use with scopes so they don't have droop. Some buyers still end up with occasional HW rifles with droop. Diana rifles more often have droop. As I mentioned previously, I have seen it in my Diana 36, 38, and 52. I have also seen it in a Diana 24, CZ-630, CZ-631, and Hatsan rifles.

So far I only own 5 Diana's so far, the collection is still growing. Only one, the D36 has a slight droop on it, it's very slight that so hard to notice, only by looking down in to the bore very carefully. The rest are so perfectly straight, I mean straight like 110%. I found thru testing droopy barrel has less range of accuracy POI from its trajectory than a straight barrel.
Now since Todd had mentioned about D24 droopy barrel, I'm a bit concerned since that's my next to get list for Diana..... in 22 ofcourse.

Here is a good droop article by Tim Mac http://www.mac1airgun.com/droopers.html

HTH,
Todd

That's a very excellent article.