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airbuddy3 · #1 Post by **airbuddy3** » Sat Nov 12, 2005 1:53 pm

someone buys an airpistol from you ..after 3 weeks sends you an email
that he tried certain pellets ..that jammed and the skirts were mangled
and the gun won't ratchet and he wants a full refund..what would you do ..? what is fair ..?

TIA

Frank

#2 Post by **under500fps** » Sat Nov 12, 2005 2:19 pm

Tell him to use the pellets that you were using and sit them right.
I has to understand that some pellets will never work right in some guns.
I don't think it is your fault if he uses the wrong pellets.
Did he abuse the gun by forcing it to ratchet and broke the gun by doing so ? Then it is his problem.
Was the gun in good working condition when you sold it to him?

airbuddy3 · #3 Post by **airbuddy3** » Sat Nov 12, 2005 2:22 pm

Crosman states that Daisy points are not to be used ..I pass that on in an Email ..as thay would cause a Jam ..so Buyer uses other pointed pellets
and causes a Jam ..the pellet skirts are deformed ..and it wont ratchet
so the buyer wants a full refund .Is it my fault ?

Frank

#4 Post by **under500fps** » Sat Nov 12, 2005 2:30 pm

Tell him to use Copperhead Wadcutter.

airbuddy3 · #5 Post by **airbuddy3** » Sat Nov 12, 2005 2:34 pm

I did mention that it worked well with crosman wads , and I had put 350 of them through it with an occasional skip no jams .

Frank

#6 Post by **under500fps** » Sat Nov 12, 2005 2:42 pm

Keep your money and tell him to live with it.
My Walther CP88 does that every so often and it is no big deal.

#7 Post by **webstien** » Sat Nov 12, 2005 2:45 pm

under500fps wrote:Keep your money and tell him to live with it.
My Walther CP88 does that every so often and it is no big deal.

Yeah, if he told you right away that It wasn't working but if its been weeks it was probably caused by him or he is using bad pellets.

#8 Post by **sniper** » Sat Nov 12, 2005 3:06 pm

my reply .....

http://www.airgunforum.ca/forum/viewtopic.977.html

airsmith282 · #9 Post by **airsmith282** » Sat Nov 12, 2005 3:06 pm

honestly tell the guy no refunds you told him not to use daisy pointed because it will cause problems ok so he didnt. but a well and experienced airgunner should know that if the words dont use it and they use someting else thats still pointed in this case and it damages the gun then its their problem as for the mangled skirts thing that happens alot when the pellet is not pressed into the clip properly and also happens when you use one thats already mangled so no fault of your own,, i used some rws pellets in my 1077 and man you gota really press them in there to make sure they are flush cause the skirts are wider.if you dont put them in nice and thight and seat them good they will pop out at a very bad time and then the damage happens...

wllm995 · #10 Post by **wllm995** » Sat Nov 12, 2005 3:10 pm

Here is the other side - I received the pistol and when I finally had time to try it out, I read the users manual included from front to back. The only warning was to make sure that the pellet skirts were flush or slightly below the plastic magazine back surface. I had read on reviewcentre that it was pellet fussy, but many co2 guns are pellet fussy; you try one - that doesn't work as well as you like, you try another until you find the ones that you like. That is my experience with "pellet fussy" guns. The owner said this " The 2210 holds gas, no leaks...has been fired 350rds, no scratches or marks on it...it fires single action or double action..I have about 5-6 spare clips for it. it is NOT DAMEAGED depending on type of pellet used it MAY SKIP A SHOT DUE TO THE PELLET NOT ALLOWING IT PERFECT ALIGNMENT WITH THE BARREL , BUT I HAVE NOT HAD IT JAM , THERE WAS A WARNING NOT TO USE DAISY POINTED PELLETS , TO AVOID ANY JAM , BUT IS SHOOTS CROSMAN POINTS OR WADS JUST FINE" ( I capitalized the relevant passage). So I was warned NOT to use Daisy POINTED pellets, but crosman POINTS were O.K. and it is "NOT DAMEAGED DEPENDING ON TYPE OF PELLET USED IT MAY SKIP A SHOT". Based on this, I DID NOT USE DAISY POINTED PELLETS, but I did put in the pellets I had used successfully with all my other .22 air guns (Gamo Magnum Pointed) and after one perfect shot, the gun jammed and the removed magazine showed 4 of 6 pellet skirts mangled. I then tried other pellets, and even pellet cleaners; but the gun was damaged beyond any use. I then contacted the seller and described what had happened and that I was very unhappy with the situation and wished to return the gun. I have had guns jam before with certain pellets, but NEVER break after ONE jam - you just check the pellets were inserted correctly and if that doesn't work, switch to ANOTHER pellet. That is were we are now. It is your call what you think is right to do in this situation.

(under 500fps - I also own the CP88 - a simple jam does not make it useless from there on and in need of repair - I don't think your analogy is relevent to this situation - do you...honestly?)

Seems everyone had made up there mind before hearing my side of the story - I don't know if what I've said will change your position, but I don't think it is fair of you to make a decision on a situation like this without hearing both sides of the story - do you? In fairness to the other person involved?

Jester · #11 Post by **Jester** » Sat Nov 12, 2005 4:22 pm

Well I'm sticking with my oppinion in the for sale/wanted chapter of this thread.

It sounds like the gun broke because of the type of pellet used - it doesn't matter whether the manufacturer had warned about this specific type of pellet or not. The gun was not damaged when he shipped it, it got damaged after you received it - there's no way that the seller could have known that THAT SPECIFIC TYPE OF PELLET would also cause problems in the gun unless he had already tried them.

It is just bad luck that you tried the one type of pellet that didn't work. I simpathize with you, but that is not the fault of the seller.

*This is just my oppinion!*

Parker_101_ · #12 Post by **Parker_101_** » Sat Nov 12, 2005 5:09 pm

All in good fun......
http://shazam.econ.ubc.ca/flip/

airsmith282 · #13 Post by **airsmith282** » Sat Nov 12, 2005 5:36 pm

to the new owner thank you for supplying the model number of the gun 2210 crosman.. flip the barrel up and look in the front to the right side for the indexing finger and see if its busted or torn off to the side if it is order in a new one from crosman i think they are only like a 1.00 each and get a few spares. also get some new clips for the hell of it.. if the indexer is broken or bent or torn then its not the guys fault that sold it to you nore is it really your fault its the guns fault as far as iam concerened its a crapy design to be honest and it fails often the C40 is the same and so is the 1008 and all your gun is is a 1008/C40 that shoots 22 cal 7 shot clips...the indexing finger is the same design and its a crapy one and they are known to break alot weather you use pointed or flat head pellets it dont matter with this gun design the indexing fingers are know and nortories for breaking it only takes a few jams some times only 1 or 2 jams and good bye to the indexing finger....i hope all this information helps everyone here and i hope the 2 of you can slove this issue,.. from experience with the C40 and many others with the C40 and 1008 that have had this problem the best cure is to order extra indexing fingers your going to need them if you shoot the gun alot also buy extra clips every so often as they wear out about evry 500 or so shots the clips will streach in plastic clips and metal clips do wear out eventually if you have them in a gun .. also do not use the cp88 clips in the C40s 1008 or the 2210 and also the same the other direction the money you may save will cost you more in the end and usually does.. NO ONE HERE IS AT FAULT FOR THE GUN BREAKING.. its nothing more then a design flaw with the gun and it happen to you instead of the original owner. the C40 i bought my wife was a used one and it had alot of issues that we eventually got all fixed up now the gun is 100% and she rarely shoots it either way.but she shoots her 357 alot its her favoriet...

wllm995 · #14 Post by **wllm995** » Sat Nov 12, 2005 5:40 pm

airsmith 282 -
Thank you for bringing some common sense to this situation. I agree with you completely that the design is total crap and had I had a chance to see it first I never would have bought it...but of course that is not how sales go shipping across the country! I took a chance and I lost. The rotary clips are in very good condition with very little wear, the white plastic indexing finger is still there, the back white pressure pad still works - I'm wondering if it is a spring problem...But at least now I have the knowledge to attempt to repair this gun. I'll have to take it apart and order up some parts from crosman and put this down to a learning experience - both in making better choices in the guns I buy (used or new); but also a chance to take apart a gun and maybe make it work even better than before (who knows). Case closed!

wllm995 · #15 Post by **wllm995** » Sat Nov 12, 2005 6:12 pm

CASE CLOSED DUE TO THE WISE AND KNOWLEDGEABLE ADVICE OF AIRSMITH 282! THANK YOU FOR YOUR COMMON SENSE APPROACH AND IN-DEPTH KNOWLEDGE OF THE ACTUAL ITEM UNDER DISCUSSION.

CHEERS!

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